Yukon Men "wolf invasion"

Wolves kill for fun all the time. They've been known to kill and just leave the carcass. So do all wild cats. Wolves will also kill a stray wolf. If a member of their pack gets injured or shows weakness they have been know to pack attack him and kill him/her. Their vicious. They'll also extend attacks/kills so can really enjoy hurting another animal. Classic big cat behavoir. Sea lions rape for fun all the time. Rape is an animal trait. It's been flimed before. Most of the horrific behavior humans exhibit can be attributed to us evolving from predatory animals. Chimps our closest genetic cousine are notoriously vicious creatures. Too bad we didnt' evolve from orangutangs. We would be a lot less prone to violence/war.

 

I'm not even going to approach being realistic with you because you are still fighting delusions. But for fun? That's a human concept so it's impossible to say.

Dogs kill cats just to taste the blood and hear the bones crunch. Cats kill birds, mice, snakes etc just to do it. Birds kill other birds, all of the time. That's just what I can see in my back yard.

Dolphins rape. Chimpanzees rape. Seems like the smarter the animals are the more they rape but maybe that's a coincidence. Oh yeah chimpanzees are savages bro, absolute savages. Chimpanzees will kill a bonobo and then put it's head on a spike.

 

I think I got trolled by seldom seen or he is really fighting delusions and I'm doing gods work.

Tough call but I'm cutting my losses, you guys know where I stand. Working out? No. Killing wolves? Yes.

Peace be with you

 

I'll be back...

 

Absolutely. The one animal I would not want to end up falling into a cage at the zoo with. Give me a tiger bro. At least death will be quick with a bite to the neck. People actually keep chimps as pets. Lunatics. Remember what happened to that women in ct. Had her face ripped off and eaten and now is blind.

 

Deer and other prey animals breed like freaking rabbits though. In rural and semi rural areas where we have removed much of their natural predators the populations can get out of control really fast. They become a hazard on roadways and they wreak havoc on farm crops. Which is why farmers can shoot deer on their land any time of year, not just in hunting season.

Predators on the other hand have comparatively smaller numbers, so they are more at risk by over hunting. We have effectively eliminated big cats from the entire northeast and much of the US east of the Mississippi in general. Humans driving a species to extinction is simply not good for the ecosystem no matter how you spin it.

Its like someone posted here this summer, they don't cull seals in New England anymore and the result has been a huge upswing in white shark activity near their shores. Maybe clubbing seals has its uses when done responsibly.

 

hmm wolf burgers. ill send of the wolf meat to china and make a killing.

 

Actually, the very traits which we dissociate from animals and think of as 'human' or 'god given', such as empathy and moral code, exist in an older part of our brain than does the ability to go against them. Chimpanzees exhibit these traits explicitly; they are well documented to be empathic, prefer sharing, and uphold a 'moral code' against thievery and even violence. Neuroscience shows the same areas of human and chimp brains activating when we quickly 'choose' to 'do the right thing'.

The distinctly human ability is not the ability to be empathic to the wolf, but the ability to choose to not hunt the wolf despite risks to your own livestock or self. These thoughts activate a part of our frontal lobe that is unique to our species. Guilt and shame are unique to humans, quite possibly some variation of which is driving many characteristically 'ethical' viewpoints on here.

http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/morality_animals

And an excellent listen for all of you commuters: http://www.radiolab.org/story/91508-morality/

 

obvious outcome is obvious

 

The topic of Dept of Interior introduction of wolves in Rocky Mountain States of northern Wyoming and Montana in the 90's has been beat to death so this post years behind the controversy. The Feds spent over 10 million to re-introduce wolves into the eco-system assuming the population would increase 10-15% per year allowing a sustainable population not to interfere with live stock and wildlife. The Federal Managers severely under estimated mating pairs reproduction ability that succeeded 30% which doubled conflicts with wildlife populations as well as livestock. State Wildlife Agencies, Ranchers and Outfitters battled with Dept of Interior and HSUS in the Federal Courts for many years to allow harvest of wolves populations since the balance had been over turned on other species do to predation. The Rock Mountain States aerial surveys conducted yearly demonstrated substantial de-creases of Elk populations were alarming to say the least. The Feds were to compensate the Ranchers for live stock losses that was managed so poorly very few saw a "dime" so if you're a Rancher how long can you sustain losses during February calving season?

When one specie dominates the landscape that is primarily a "predator" its effects on other wildlife including human conflicts must be addressed. An example is New Jersey, the State Wildlife Agency tried to open a Black Bear season that was politically defeated some years ago to address increase Bear populations. . So now NJ residents adjust with bears roaming their neighborhoods. New Jersey also outlawed at one time leg hold traps as in-humane. But now as far as Coyotes, that's a different animal, the Eastern Coyote is much larger than its western counter part weighing in excess of 50 -60 pounds with Canadian Red and Gray Coyote genetics. Coyote human conflicts are followed and documented nationally as New Jersey is on the map with 2 toddlers mauled by coyotes. As you can see, either by specie introduction and/or not allowing a means of managing that population such a predators (wolf & coyotes) when the population does exceed its carrying capacity with wildlife and humans its a difficult task to restore a proper balance again.

I've seen arial film of a pack of wolves taking down a moose in Montana; it was gruesome. I know the wolf has to eat too but to compare a shark to the wolves you really don't understand the biology of wolves.

Whether you agree with sport hunting or not ? Sport hunting is the most economically efficient means for Federal and State Wildlife managers to address in-balance of wildlife as well as Regional conflicts that have occurred in the Rocky Mountain States. On a good note the folks in Montana will never have to worry about swimming with Sharks in the Snake River neither will you surfing with wolves.

 

Your line about predators having smaller number sis too general a statement. Sure, wolves and grizzlies are rare, but not coyotes in the NE USA. They're a scourge. They kill more game animals than humans, they carry the mange in their dens especially near urban/suburban areas in NJ and PA which makes them un-safe to be near humans. I've never hunted wolves or grizzlies (I have shot a black bear, bear meatballs taste fantastic).
Like a lot of other guys have said, if bag limits and seasons are set up responsibly for both game animals and predators, then numbers can be kept at a manageable level without risk to the animal species survival and to human safety.
Tip: If you shoot a squirrel, try battering the back legs, deep fry, and smother in buffalo sauce. Tastes delicious. You can hardly tell the difference between store/bar/restaurant bought buffalo chicken wings and squirrel legs.

 

Kill for fun all the time according to who? And how do you know nothing returned to said carcass and fed later...that point was as vague as it gets. And 'extendeding attacks'...dude, completely anecdotal and no way to prove. Every time a predator attempts a kill it's risking it's own well being so I doubt attacks are lengthened for fun. Maybe practice(ie/ coyote tossing mice around). And pack competition/hierarchy maintenance can't be written off as fun, that's beyond our understainding.

All wild cats statement...needs to be further specified. Lions are the only cats that live in prides so their behavior cannot be representative of all wild cats...and again, dominance struggles w/in the pride shouldn't be perceived as fun.

Domestic dog and cat kills don't count, and I agree, they do kill for 'fun', but is it fun or instinctive and a relic of their days in the wild.

Ok you guys got me with the dolphin raping and primate violence, but regardless, doesn't change my opinion.

 

one thing not mentioned is how wolf's reintroduced to yellowstone actually changes the geography and hydrology of the landscape. by keeping grasing animals in check, forests could grow where there was just grasslands (grasers love the tender tree shoots) with trees growing, beavers came back and made dams in streams, creating lakes, changing the landscape even more, so instead of a stream through a meadow, there is a series of lakes in a developing forest. one biological component altered the landscape bringing it closer to its climax community with higher biodiversity and more ecological stability.

wolves are a keystone species, they keep ecosystems in checks in a myriad of ways, if there is to be hunting it should be limited and based on data.
my.02

but then again why bother caring, this whole baby is toast once the suns burns out, or if we can escape THIS STAR, the heat death of universe will surely do us in....lousy entropy

and thats even if the singularity makes us all cybernetic immortals, which it wont

 

"and thats even if the singularity makes us all cybernetic immortals, which it wont"
I want my mind and brain downloaded into a Cybernetic version of Pamela Anderson circa 1995. i just lay there day in and day out touching myself.

 

sorry chavechave, latest models only, you get PLA 2013 stretched vag, herpes and all...enjoy!

 

Not sure how it's years behind when this is the second season this has been going down, w/ the same justification for purpose. And I didn't compare wolves to sharks.

 

Don't worry Chavey... I'd still take you for a spin.

 

FYI - If a trap breaks the wolf's leg/foot they're doing it wrong. Using too big of a trap can break bone which allows the trap to cut off circulation. Shortly thereafter numbness ensues and the animal is able to gnaw it's foot off only to be hobbled for life or until another predator catches up to it.

I think we'd all have a different perspective about the wolf killing if we had to hunt/catch/raise/grow 90% of what we eat or face starvation. Hell we don't let shady looking homeless people hang out in front of the grocery store because we're afraid of what they "might" do. The shady guy may or may not jack someone up but there is no morality in the animal world and if hungry, and presented with an opportunity, the wolf will kill what it can catch in order to eat.

There's millions of acres in the Yukon, if the residents want to keep a reasonable buffer around their settlement so be it. If the wolves learned where to get a free easy meal they can learn where no to.

 

Not being scared of a lion = dumbass without common sense. When you're living off the land, you have to kill the predators or they won't fear you.

So all the african tribes that killed lions were all *****'s eh? haha You think these natives prescribed to your theories?

Comments like yours remind me of the grizzly man that had pet names for the all the bears and wasn't afraid of them. We all know what happened to him Lack of common sense. Not being afraid of a large carnivore that could kill 10 men in seconds has no brains.

 

Only difference is that they didn't need guns.