A wooden fish

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Cuck Taylor, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. wavehog1

    wavehog1 Well-Known Member

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    Sep 20, 2013
    Talk about starting from scratch! Even the wood kit boards are a hell of a project!

    Good luck man!
     
  2. unsalted

    unsalted Active Member

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    Oct 9, 2012
    10302013143.jpg heres my project. 8ft fun shape. not too tough once you get the hang of it
     

  3. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    That's a nice build. Once you start laying the strips on it all makes sense. I would suggest drilling some holes in the ribs and spine so you don't create sealed bulkheads, it's good to have the hollow chambers connected with air holes so you can let it vent properly. Plus if you make holes in the ribs and spine your also removing material which is weight reduction. The strength won't be compromised by holes.
     
  4. Xylem Surfboards

    Xylem Surfboards Well-Known Member

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  5. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    Getting ready to lay the bottom on. Then the shaping starts. Puff puff listen to jimi Hendrix and away I go with a belt sander.

    I put some 4 ounce glass on the underside of the bottom panel to give a little extra meat. The kid who's getting this board thinks he will launch airs .... Hmmmm
     

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  6. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 16, 2013
    They go fast enough to get airs for sure! If he can is all in his abilities right? Fishes are just down right fun.
     
  7. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
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    Fin placement template + plan shape template

    Running 0 degrees toe for the back twins and a 5 degree toe in for the forward. I figured a true old school fish planshape would like free running twins. But the quad option is there too. What do you avid short boarders think of this ?
     
  8. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
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    Cant angles anyone ?
     
  9. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 16, 2013
    are you trimming it down to that line?
     
  10. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

    853
    Jul 6, 2013
    So basically what I've done is built a close tolerance blank much like a foam blank but it's hollow wood instead, it has just enough wood in the rails to then be sculpted to its final shape with hand sanding and using a belt sander.

    So yes the shape you see on the board with the fins is the plan shape. Once that's cut I shape the rail profiles And rocker is already laminated in. 3 inches in the nose with 1.5 in the tail. Rocker apex is fairly far forward id say so the tail is flattish
     
  11. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 16, 2013
    Ok in that case i'd say your fin placement looks good.
    As for cant, id just lay the boxes/plugs in flat. Most fin set ups have their cant built in. So no need put more in. With the fish you'll want them as upright as possible for that down the line drive.

    i can take a pic of my quad and fish if you'd think that'd help.
     
  12. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

    853
    Jul 6, 2013
    Thanks for the insight regarding fish fin placements. The can't looks more extreme in the pic because the plugs are just resting in the template holes and not set. I'm stoked about this board, although I don't ride short boards I would like to build a good one. The guy who's getting this thing has some high expectations as for short board performance. I can't wait to see how it plays out
     
  13. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    Please post up pics of your fish and the fin arrangement
     
  14. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 16, 2013
    I pretty much only ride quads and fishes when it comes to shortboards. I dont get the drive from thrusters. But my favorite board ever was a 5'6" JS buried treasure. It was AMAZING. Kinda similar shape to what you have goin, so if the kid doesnt like it, put some future boxes in instead of those shatty fcs plugs and send it my way!
     
  15. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 16, 2013
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    here ya go. Hope these help. The full shape of the fish is in this thread a few pages earlier.
     
  16. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    Why shatty fcs plugs ?? I use them all the time for fin replacement jobs when my buddies bring me their broken foam. It's usually the fcs plug that's broken out of the foam so maybe they are crap. But this wooden fish will have the plugs set into solid wood.. Much better than the plug placement in foam, strength wise..
     
  17. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
  18. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 16, 2013
    Bout the fin boxes, i just have a personal preference to futures. I feel like is more similar feeling to a glass on, as you have the whole base of the fin inserted into the box, vs the 2 tabs from fcs. Which is also why you replace more fcs than futures, cause with futures your odds are better the fin breaks than you lose the whole plug/box.

    Both the quad and fish are toe'd in. It just looks like less on the fish cause the curve of the board i think....heres another couple shots...
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    I dont know the toe angles or anything that technical. But i can tell you both these boards ride great, and turn just as well. The quad if he want high performance make sure he finds a good set of hp quads. Cause some are more set up like fishy fins. i.e, down the line drive vs snappy turns. I use and recommend the rasta quads but they are futures, i dont know what is good for fcs.

    And YES the fins MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE in how it rides.
     
  19. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

    853
    Jul 6, 2013
    I'd say the set up with my parallel profile fish as of now almost perfectly resembles your quad set up, except the two twins in the back are not toed in at all. I'll let the rider of this board do what he wants for fins, that's part of the experiment too I guess. A prototype fish to lead into more for sure.
     
  20. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 16, 2013
    right on. To be honest if theres one to resemble its the quad, as that was done by one of the pro shaper guys here, the fish done by a buddy and myself.