A Roy board for Charles

So put up the vid or link that shows you actually making a steep drop and pulling in and out of a tube.

 

tlokein!! Roy just called you a "sweeper" and claimed he eats you and your type for breakfast!! Wow you must be sore!!!
Roy, I believe tlokein rides all types of boards including, God forbid, an SUP and is comparing your giant wooden yacht and its qualities to an SUP.
You quote everyone out of context.

 

Yeah, can we stop the whole taking of sentences and phrases out of context so you can systematically dismiss them? My favorite is when you edit people's quotes for them and then respond.

Not trying to be (overly) snarky here, just seems to me that if you genuinely want to foster real discussion about your work (and for the record, I'm not talking about these "show me video or it's false" posts), then just respond to the posts as a whole. If we, as a SwellInfo community, admit to you that as a whole, we do not always form perfect sentences, will you just respond to the context of a post, instead of chopping it up to try to paint the entire thing as dumb?

 

Well,

I have been making longboards at 27" wide for years, long before the SUP craze.

SUPs are necessarily handicapped however by the thickness requirement, they have a few other issues also.

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Not doubting you Roy, just curious on your take on how a SUP rides versus your boards in a little more detail, be something I can actually relate to (I don't have the requisite funds to try one of your boards out)

 

I do not edit in such a way that it takes the phrases out of context or changes the meaning, and unlike other posters here who blithely say that I have said things which I never have, I quote rather than just making up false statements.

I notice that you don't object to people attributing statements to me which I have never made, but complain when I respond with actual quotes to answer specific statements.

That is an inconsistent stance.

Frankly the posts in question are 'dumb' and me answering specific parts of them highlights this.

What you are talking about re. context is really 'between the lines' vibe... which is always vague and ill defined.

Here's an idea for you: tell people not to attribute to me ideas and phrases which I have never written or uttered.... and I'll continue to answer logically, honestly and calmly to whatever I feel needs to be answered.


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There are many different SUP shapes out there so my answer must necessarily be general. On that basis the most obvious difference is the volume and thickness. I keep my boards relatively thin. Also the width I use, although wide for a longboard is on the lower end of the scale for SUps.

It would be an easy matter to get a board similar to mine made in foam, the principles which they use are simple and the designs are forgiving of variations in shape.

By using a parallel profile I achieve whatever buoyancy is required with the thinnest possible board. So, if designing a foam version go for very little or no profile taper.

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Boy, you sure are defensive. I say all that from the point of view from someone who wants to see more actual conversation and less "dumb" comments. I have no problem with disdain for comments like that. I agree they are dumb. That's what I was saying.

Gotta say though, if reading between the lines for context is so vague and ill defined, where do you get off editing quotes and paraphrasing other people in order to respond to them?

No need to get all bent out of shape on this. I'm not on Team Bash Roy, just a neutral party who likes to read actual conversation about surfboards and surfing. IMHO, your style of responding to posts/debate is hindering your own attempts to have real discussions about the board, and bringing on more of the same "dumb" posts.

And Roy, I don't agree with people false attributing comments to you either. However, since these threads are essentially a "you vs. the world" kind of thing on SI, it seemed easier for me to try to appeal to one person in an attempt to further the discussion then to try to reason with an entire forum, who recently dedicated their time to launch a written invasion of a competing surf website.

 

Yeah I'm pretty beat up about it. Probably won't get much sleep tonight.

And correct I ride pretty much anything, I'm not inherently biased. I'll try a wooden door for giggles. I'd even try one of Roy's arks. And as I've stated before if there are waves, I surf. No waves, I SUP. Shorebreak, I sponge it. First preference is always to surf. Broom only comes out when there are no waves.

 

I'll wait...

 

I answer as clearly and honestly as I can, and as stated when I reply to parts of a long post I do so without changing the meaning of the ideas presented... in fact isolating ideas in order to answer them enables clearer answers to be given and helps to eliminate the 'between the lines' emotional or 'implied but not stated' content, as I have already explained.

It's normal practice for academic discussion, and I choose to answer in a more academic style because it is clearer and more logical than some other methods. It's also been my experience over the past ten years that a dry academic method of conversation helps to keep threads from becoming overemotional bun fights.

As for the comment that I'm being 'defensive' that's an example of attributing emotion to a post which implies none. Certainly any time I disagree with a post which criticises my activities or writing, I am technically being 'defensive', but as you know the phrase 'being defensive' is usually used to imply a negative emotion or mental state. That is not the case,.

Defence of one's position is a legitimate activity, would you prefer that I went for the counter attack tactic? I can do that also.


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When I posted the tube shot above it was in response to a poster who claimed that my boards have never seen the inside of a tube, ever.

So, the picture refuted that statement.

Then, it is pointed out that the picture is not video of me making a tube, and that it could have been achieved on a refrigerator door ( which is highly unlikely).

I appreciate that there is a desire to see more and I'm pleased about that, but I predict that when and if I do post such a video the response will be along the lines that anyone could do that on a fish/mal/sup/refrigerator door, and that this moving of the goalposts will continue.

Again I understand that this is a natural expression of the desire to see more of the capabilities of the designs, but I'm just pointing out that in my opinion posting a video of a tube section being made won't change much in terms of the naysayer's behaviour... although it would certainly be nice to see and appreciated by some... mostly by those who already appreciate my videos.

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This is not a "tube shot." It's a waist high close out. If you made it out I'll by a Roy board.

 

I made the refrigerator door comment... I was only half serious. but in all fairness my local break... its very rare to have hollow days and most of my tube rides end up getting clamped and are not make able.....
but I really would be interested in seeing if your board is capable... because there is no video of your boards making a steep drop and pulling in and getting pitted... so pitted.
don't get so piiiiiiisy about it and know that no one can refute video evidence of a beautiful tube ride no matter the board.

 

We are simply looking for evidence of why your boards cost so much and are so much better, and so far the only "proof" has been your testimony and a few vids/pics of trimming on weak waves. You can start by showing your boards making steep drops and out of the tube. Does that mean everyone will accept they are better and start lining up to buy one? Or course not. But it would be the first step, and if you produce that hard evidence I for one will back you up that it can be done on your boards. Think of it as a necessary but not sufficient condition.

Prove point number one, and the discussion can shift to why your boards are better for making that wave. You may be telling the gods honest truth about your boards, but being that you are the one selling them I can't accept your personal testimony.

A Ferrari costs a lot more than my Maxima, but there's plenty of empirical proof as to why it outperforms it. Honestly, I'm not trying to bash you, I just want to see hard evidence as to why your boards are better.

 

Waist high ? Idk man. Over head easily. Looks like closing out but still in the tube If a sup can ride in he tube I believe a hot Kurl can get in as well.

 

This thread is everything to why the forum has gone "down the tubes", no pun intended. It's a senseless, cyclical argument that is getting very personal and redundant. Lots of long posts saying the same things. Roy, if you have an axe to grind and prove the HotCarl can get tubed then dammit get tubed and show film of it. That easy. If you're a skeptic of Roy and have a guilty until proven innocent stance, then simply consider this subject to be at rest until he furnishes the proof asked for.

IT'S THAT EASY PEOPLE. Stop perpetuating what's become a terrible thread in a terrible way.

 

That is definitely not an easily overhead wave. Looks waist, maaaybe chest. He's practically sitting down.
I can skip a rock into a tube. Doesn't mean it got tubed.

 

Waist high does not cover you up Fwend

 

Never seen a hollow chest high wave? Maybe waist is a little small, but closer than overhead