Artificial Islands off NJ/NY

just surf the outter islands you ****ing kooks..... there will still be swell that hits those islands. It will suck if it happens but holy ****.... figure it out

 

They are basically going to be breakwaters, not real islands. There won't be surfable waves on them. Even if they were, you would have to have a boat to get 15-20 miles out.
This plan will destroy surfing in NJ, forever.

 

Oh well. "The butcher" just figured it all out for us. Thanks man!

 

Dude("the butcher") is clearly a troll

 

Most truly long period swells (12-15 seconds plus) don't break very well in NJ. They hit the beaches as very long close outs. You really need reefs or points to handle longer period waves.
Our "medium" period waves from 8-11 seconds can come from hundreds of miles away. You don't get 10 second period waves within 10-15 miles where these islands would be. They can come from as far south as NC as stated.
I put "medium" in quotes because 8-11 seconds is a on the lower side of medium period, if you are comparing to a place like Hawaii. They can get 20 second plus swells there, coming from a thousand miles+ away. 8-11 seconds is medium to short period by their standards. For NJ, it's the perfect period for our beach breaks.

Anyway, the islandswould block any ridable surf for the entire NJ shore pretty much, unless you want to goof around in knee high wind slop after a storm.
It's a ridiculous idea for many reasons.

 

Did it ever occur to you that the thunderstorms were from a strong frontal system with winds ahead of the system blowing out in the open ocean? LOL
Yes we do know what would happen if you put a breakwater up blocking waves 12 miles out. No waves. It's not guess work. It's fact. Look what long island does to ct.
All swells would come from beyond the islands. Nothing would be generated from inside. You seem kind of thick headed. You can't generate a swell from 15 miles of fetch to point of impact. HELLO MCFLY. Could a very powerful south swell maybe sneak in? Sure, but that's about it and that would depend how they have the islands set up. If they put in an island/breakwater at the bottom laterally to protect the metro area than nothing will get in. And anything with an east/southeast/southsoutheast/northeast would be gone. Very limited south swell at best depending if they bend in an island to block in the south as well since there'd be no point in doing all that if you don't block up the south.

 

No need for this comment.

 

Wind waves are generated by uninterupted distance the wind touches the water and wind speed which means the wind would have to blow at hurricane force or greater to create surf and as soon as it went offshore it would die in an hour. In this scenario we would have surf at the real beach about as often as the beaches in the raritan bay. I am a marine biology major and I spent a half of a year on the subject of how winds currents and tides are generated. I also have been surfing for 25+ yrs and I know many surfers who surfed this long think they know alot but never actually learned the science of it. Look at Miami and south Florida, Just because of the bahamas they get no waves except on swells that come from where the islands arent. Side note, Unless they make these things like 50-100 feet above sea level it wouldnt stop tidal waves or sandy like storm surges in fact if a hurricane came from the direct south it might amplify the flooding bu trapping the water against the shore longer. Stupid Idea from the guy who wants to save humanity from soda.

 

Yes you did. Let me refresh your memory....... LOL!
SWELL (local windswell, not chop) does not generate properly from 15 miles from point of impact. If that was the case, you'd have 7 second period swell on lake champlain and surfing there! I don't think they have rideable waves like nj last time I checked.

Total NONSENSE. 10 second period swell from a 15 mile fetch to point of impact? LOL Man, I can't believe I'm wasting my energy having this conversation with you.

Micah, can you please explain to this genius that you can't generate a swell within a 15 miles window between the island and the mainland. And obviously any swell, which is generated outside of there would be shadowed/blocked by the islands as well. It would be a disaster. I can't believe I'm having an argument with this guy about this.

You would not get "local windswell". Swell, 7 seconds or greater has to form over an open ocean. You would get chop. The same thing you get on the north shore of long island when a straight due north wind blows over long island sound. That is NOT swell. Not local windswell. It's CHOP. This is not a hard concept to understand.

 

True.

It's not mayor Bloomberg. LOL....It's blumberg. Different guy.

 

That's CHOP. That's not a rideable organized local wind swell. You have to remember when you only have 15 miles to work with that the swell can't get organized. you end up with all kinds of short period junk mixing in and by the time it cleans up....there's nothing left! Because you only had 15 miles to work with. Have fun shredding on lake Champlain. I don't know, but I think nj just might have better waves. Just maybe. It's like beating a dead horse because you refuse to admit you were dead wrong. So you keep trying to justify a wrong position and try to "save face" rather than just admit you were wrong, which is not even a big deal.

 

No I don't ride blown out disorganized crap like that.
7 second period swells with clean winds are NOT chop. They are local windswell. The exact thing that the islands will block.

Enjoy that 8-10 second period waves with good winds on lake champlain! Heard it's going to be epic this week. Going to be some big winds from that nor'easter!

I thought you were done? lol

 

Lake Champlain is over 100 miles long. I've never seen a rideable wave on a lake that is 12 miles long.
I don't think any decent surf would be generated inside the island.

Not arguing with anyone. Just my opinion.

 

you can look up a table that has fetch, wind speed and duration and see what sized seas a given condition set is capable of producing

my god shark hunter is the worst poster on here

 

No it can't generate 7 second rideable swell inside the islands in a 15 mile window.

DUDE! What difference does it make if there are 50 mph onshore winds! VAS Conditions don't count. We are talking rideable windswell. HELLO MCFLY!
WTF are you talking about?

BY THE TIME IT CLEANS IT UP....THERE'S NO MORE SWELL COMING IN. SO IF YOU LIKE VAS AND CHOP(which is got all kinds of short period crap mixed).....THEN YOU'RE GOOD TO GO!

Go have fun surfing near bridgeport, ct with all that "local 8-10 second period windswell" . According to you, anytime you got a 40 mph wind, it's rideable waves on long island sound(which is larger than the body of water between those islands) LOL