'American' way of life

tl;dr get a life or a therapist. no need for your butt hurt on a SURF fourm. +1 for ban

 

Damn you dudes got heavy this weekend.

 

comes with the (flatness) territory.

 

Mis, I am just wondering if you or you're property where in danger, would you call the police? It seems like everyone hates cops, but as soon as they are needed no one hesitates to call them.

 

Some glassy little fun ones up these parts saturday, then good woods day on sunday

 

Like, when a bunch of guys from a foreign land spend years of their lives devising a plan to kill thousand of innocent Americans with a few airplanes and vow to continue the choas for ever? I think that is a proper representation of a fist not only drawn back, but the punch has already landed, you are still on your feet... What do you do next? Is it time to swing yet? Yeah, I think so....

Funny thing is, no American's even know why, or care why the Taliban etc. hates us. They waged a war again us, killing our people, when our people have no idea what their concerns are. In a nutshell, we don't care. Never have. So these cowards, instead of creating a military confrontation like men, they attack defenseless, unsuspecting people on american soil, while they are not even looking. These are the same terrorists that criticize the US for the way we killed Bin Laden. They said that it was wrong that we entered his home and killed him while he was defenseless.... uhh, okay crazy, as$ backwards psychos that just killed a few thousand innocent people...

You may think our military and our government is crooked, or crazy, but our adversaries are far more crazy... They started it, we finished it.

Do I believe we should have done everything we have done since 9/11 militarily? no. But I understand it. The world is a political and economical chess match. When 9/11 happened, they packed about 5 agendas into 1 and tried to fly under the radar. Yes, we needed to go to Afghanistan. We needed to find and kill Bin Laden and cripple the Taliban. But we also have HUGE political and economical interests in that area of the world and it's not every day that you have an excuse to move troops into occupation mode smack dab in the middle of OIL country. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, well look at that, we are now IRAN's next door neighbor and we are occupying one of the most oil rich regions in the world.... Thats life...

Not everything our military does is excellent, but its a machine. Its a system. It is ABSOLUTELY needed for freedom.

The MAIN problem I have with the military in 2014 is, in a roundabout way, something you may like to hear. It doesn't solve the issue. But here it is. DRONES, drones and more drones. We have FINALLY found a way that we dont need to risk our men and women's lives the way we once had to. We don't need infantry any more. We don't need to drop guys out of choppers into the jungle. We finally have the technology to do it remotely. Does that make the guy pressing the button a killer? Ehhh. Maybe. But its better that losing dozens of our troops.

Thats the reality. There is FAR less of a need for human bodies to be in uniform. I think its just pissing in the wind with China. Its a numbers game. But this day in age, I would say 98% of our military should be riding the pine, at a computer. Maybe its in order to justify military funding. Not sure why. But we need to start reducing the amount of active troops. Year after year. The military should be more of a free enterprise, where they can employ people to work for the military, but not be a solider and never have an option for combat. We don't need all that.

With all that being said, I completely disagree with you. Cops are not murderers because they are cops. Can a cop murder someone? Yes. But because you have to kill people in a certain line of work doesn't make you a murderer. Killer? Yes. By definition, only if you discharge your weapon and KILL someone. Soliders are not MURDERERS... Some are killers, if in battle they have to take a life. Again, that makes you a killer. Its not murder for high. Guys on the front lines don't get bodycount bonuses. I bet if you ask 100 soldiers who have killed someone in battle, if they would take that incident back, I bet you 100 of them would say, in a heart beat. I bet you if you had to sit face to face and talk to someone who has been through that, in order to protect YOUR life and freedom, you may get out of your current paradigm. These people dont WANT to kill. Its a necessity.

Think kind of thinking takes me back to when I was a kid, in Catholic School. I asked the teachers and priests a simple question, and it literally stumped them. They had to go have a conference and get back to me with an answer the next day...

The church says, killing is wrong. Thats a one way ticket to hell. Now, I asked them, say when I am older, I am drafted by the military because we are at war. I am out in a jungle at war, and our enemy is shooting my brothers and soldiers. I pull my gun out, and as I see a barrel aiming my direction, I pull the trigger and take my enemies life... Am I going to hell for that I asked? A day later, they said... No, you are good.

 

The "enemy" is not the other guy in the jungle... they are there for the same reason you are there. Politicians put you guys there. Propaganda put you there, thinking you are doing something great, there is nothing great about killing for no good reason, especially when that enemy is just like you with a mother, father etc. You said it your self that soldiers who have taken lives would do things differently if they could. And yes, you could argue the "kill or be killed" idea, which i understand, but that wouldn't even be an issue if the soldiers weren't warring to begin with.

Cops are not bad when they uphold justice and stay humble. But that is a dwindling characteristic in this day.

 

I feel you, I wasn't arguing the legitimacy of why both parties are there. But if I am in a jungle with a gun and there is another guy in a jungle with a gun, and for whatever reason, his mission is to kill me, whether he agrees with it or not, when I see said individual, in the jungle as he raises his weapon at me. He is definitely the enemy at that point.

 

no point to argue with a close minded person like you Makeitstop. you will never understand why at 18 years old we signed up to protect our country. you seem to think that we don't need a military, but if we were ever invaded from an outside country who would you go running to protect you? you will never understand what it is like to be sent to fight a political war whether you believe in it or not. you will never know what its like to fight for your brothers to the left and right of you because you value their life more than yours. you will never know what its like to join an organization to stand for something bigger than yourself. you are a typical left wing libtard who loves to bash the police and military but if **** ever hit the fan you'd be the first to coming crawling to them for help. if you hate what this country stands for so much, leave. it is as simple as that.

exactly. you won't leave. appreciate the liberties and freedoms you have here to bash the very people who selflessly protect you because in other countries you will be beheaded for the way you speak.

 

Our house is looking better than most this day in age, even with our issues. And I THINK the answer to your question, is that we set that precedent a long time ago. We have been battling Tyranny from since we founded this country. It comes with being an American. Thats kind of what we do...

There is a reason that Germany, Japan and other's have to play by OUR rules in post war times. Same with Russia. Let me guess, you say, Let Putin take over the Ukraine, that isn't our business? Right? Well, it is our business. We were a huge component in breaking up the USSR. Part of that, was giving the nations back to their people etc. and telling Russia, look, we are giving you your mother Russia, but here are the borders. Do NOT every cross these lines and start scooping up more territory, EVER....

Now, Putin is trying to slowly rebuild his fallen empire and he just waltzed in to Ukraine and took it over, exactly what we told him not to do... Now we are all supposed to turn a blind eye and say, hey, thats not our business. Let the Ukraine or Europe deal with it... We are too deep into situations like that to sit back and let it happen. We haven't made moves now, but if we stand back and allow Putin to do it this time, he will continue to grow and give us the middle finger...

We fix other peoples homes when they don't have the power to do it themselves. Thats the way our country works. Thats why we pay taxes, and we do have section 8 and welfare. We take care of people that cannot take care of themselves. And in situations like Iraq and Afghanistan, they had the power and were not using to to properly police their nation and do the right thing. Its like anything in life, if you have a drivers license and you abuse it, you lose your license. A higher authority has to be there to regulate situations like that, and unfortunately, long before we were ever born, America has been that Higher Authority, along with MANY other nations that walk hand and hand into world wide situations. We aren't the only ones, we just happen to be the biggest swinging d*** in the room so everyone points at us....

When we hear about thousands of people getting decapitated and mutilated in Congo, when we know these people OBVIOUSLY don't have the resources to protect themselves, and their government doesnt help them, we should just turn a blind eye, when we DO have the resources and could go clean up that mess in all of 3-4 days. We could take out all those pyscho rebels, who are operating under a ruthless, lawless order in a matter of moments.

We fight Tyranny brother. It is what it is and it is what it always has been. Love it or leave it.

 

Cause it's Vietnam, I got drafted and now I'm sitting in a Jungle with an AK. It wasn't by choice. Or maybe it's not a jungle, maybe it's Berlin, where a dictator has slaughted a few million people already and I have somehow been sent over there to bring justice to those who abuse their power. To help save a few million people by putting my life at risk for the greater good of the world....

Are you insinuating that we should not have stopped Hilter? That it wasn't our business? If that is the case my friend, you and I just fundamentally disagree on the world in general.

And, no I didn't have "koolaid" for breakfast. Just no waves and having a discussion.

 

nailed it.