50 Sharks Killed

Hell effin yeah hermano. If my weeder stocks return the $100 mln fundage, you're the one that I'm backing.

 

You think I give a rats ass what you think of me?
Thanks man. I didn't call you anything, but you call me one? Yet I'm the douche?
Love the passive aggressive b.s. about me making valid points as well. Kudos

You can make same argument against speed limits/seat belts, food safety/roll cages in nascar ect. ect. Lets not doing anything for safety People know the risk blah blah.
It's just a matter of values. I believe people should be able to go in the ocean in Australia in relative safety from being chomped in half. Period. People come before sharks. You're acting like you have something to add. You don't. It's the same B.S. I've heard a thousand times before from shark apologizers.

I think if we can minimize their risk by sacrificing a few fish then we should do it. PERIOD.

Thankfully the Australian government agrees with me and not you. Their not pussies like the New zealand government that has banned gw shark fishing due to propoganda from the lunatic fringe that has unfortunately invaded our television. It went from extreme propoganda(jaws) to the other extreme(conservationist propoganda)

There's hundreds of species of sharks and only a few are dangerous to people.

Again I ask. The cull was done. Are sharks now extinct? How many decades has the propoganda machine been spinning about sharks being critically endangered. Do you know how many bull sharks there are for example? Their about as threatened as raccoons.

 

How much is your asking price to just go away? Or, failing that, for your lobotomy?

 

Bu they did nothing to make it safer. All the attacks were whites yet they killed other species.
That's like some dude shooting a a bunch of people on the corner and the cops arresting a person they know is innocent. Then tell the people it's safe to go back to the corner knowing the killer is still out there.

It's no safer

 

It's a waste of time to try to have a discussion with an ass hole like you. Fvckin' d1ckhead.

 

having long ago put shar**** on ignore, i can only imagine what kind of ****ed up idiocy he's been posting in this thread (i'm assuming what i've seen quoted is only part of the insanity).

all i can say is, shar****, take an ecology course or 2 & learn how an ecosystem works. b/c right now, you don't have a goddamn ****ing clue. you are literally a clueless ****head.

 

^^^^
What njsurfer42 said

 

i'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

 

and once again a thread reaches five pages of shark hunter vs the forum. Way too much ego in these waters these days.

some day it will end. some day

 

best response in this entire thread!

 

I think he does it on purpose. He knows what to say and how to say it to get the reaction he wants. Just look at what lipsmacker said and then shark hunters response. I say we ALL just ignore him, then he could argue with himself.

 

Again, I'll say 50-100 sharks killed in close proximity to swimming/surfing beaches is nothign in the grand scheme of shark populations. Culling sharks near a few beaches does not harm their populations.
Now, killing 100 MILLION plus sharks world wide for shark fin soup, which is served in the US, and a delicacy/aphrodisiac in Asia is wiping out shark populations WORLD WIDE. It is also cruel, wasteful and inhumane as sharks are usually dumped back into the sea with no fins.
Focus your efforts and concerns on things that actually matter to the health off the species, not a few sharks being killed to protect bathers/surfers.

 

but that's just it...the killings AREN'T protect swimmers. the attacks were done by whites, but not a single white was caught during the cull period. so where's the "protection" aspect come in? it's just slaughter for slaughter's sake. in terms of the health of the species, you're likely right. a few here or there isn't going to have a big impact. but if you extend the cull out over years or decades, that's a pretty big impact, particularly for a species that matures slow & breeds rarely.
the whole point of the cull, though, is to protect swimmers & surfers but "man eating sharks". it's hysteria. it's an irrational, impractical, thoughtless response, w/ no basis in science. that's the real problem w/ it.

 

Morning fellers,
this is not to be misconstrued as a personal attack on shark-hunter, I just feel it's an opportunity to express some thoughts on environmentalism and the modern human condition. It's also the day that I get to celebrate the oportunity to be alive on this planet, so I'm gonna take the opportunity to elaborate a little.

The first point I want to make is on the inanimate/animate nature of, well, nature. I think this is the fundamental discrepancy b/t people like myself and others, and the cause of disagreement of points further down the line. I see the living world as an animate, inter-connected whole, on levels far beyond our comprehension. I believe all life is special and we are in no place to create a species value system. And while the mainstream media successfully spins these ideas as a result of the hippy dippy/new age culture, that's far from the truth, as these sentiments stem from our ancient, primitive heritage. Don't forget that antrhopocentrism has been the dominant paradigm only for the past 5,000 years or so(one could argue just the 2,500 of 'Western Civilization'). We lived a better, more balanced, biocentric way of life quite successfully for appx. 90,000.

Next thing I'd like to address is how the polarizing nature of our culture skews the concept of 'environmentalism'. I see this especially with the wolf haters out west. I was a raging Earth lover long before I knew about PETA, the Discovery Channel, or hippies(they're fake enviros. anyway). Folks we have a true tradition of green thought in the form of Abbey, Thoreau, Leopold, Muir, back to Cheif Seattle, Chief Joseph, and Black Elk...not even to mention the indigenous tribes of the Amazon that are still clinging to the true human way. While they say biocentrism is the product of a fad, the opposite is actually true, with anthropocentrism being a result of the fad of monotheistic patriarchal culture. Thanks Wayne.

Most animals are sentient, and do express emotion, feel pain, mourn for their lost comrades, etc, etc. I mean, f**k, I can basically communicate with my dog with looks and gestures(and no I don't base all of this statement on that example, just one we can all relate to I have witnessed the aforementioned qualities from many species). Maybe insects and other such things don't, but they're connected on a different level. Slime molds solve mazes to find food...that's a unicellular organism demonstrating cognition.

I guess I must also retract my proclamation as a pacifist. It is certainly the ideal, but I wouldn't hesitate to put down a threat or a trapper(if the conditions were right). And that's not tough guy stuff, just saw that mentioned so I wanted to address.

And as far as sharks, I'm obviously against the cull. And I don't know what my water time would be in West Oz or SA, I can't say...but as far as them harvesting a few humans, ya can't make an omlette if you don't break any eggs.

That's all I can think of at the moment, aside from the video I'm about to post. And while I avoided science and probly sounded whimsical, I'd say scientific discovery/current consensus supports the notions on inter-connectedness and complexity of ecosystems and the planet.

Read Mycelium Running, mycelial networks just may be the neural system of the planet.

I saw this and just wanted to use it as a case in point about contemporary humanity/where we're headed. The Long Island Sound used to be one the most bountiful regions for commercial lobstering(2nd to Maine and offshore hauls(ie/ George's Bank)). In '99 they sprayed the sh!t marshes out of the marshes here, b/c of the hysteria surrounding the West Nile Virus, we HAD to take action on those 'skeeters. Well, in the ensuing years, a massive die-off took place, and now 99% of the guys that were fishing are out of business. While there were other factors the spray seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back. And if there were still lobsters out there, I'd be on the water every day doing noble work as opposed to being trapped inside working for some suits. So, not only am I crying for killed cockroaches, but also for a disappearing way of life. They're slowly eroding our humanity...they want us to be fat, stupid, and satisfied with materialist pursuits and electronics.

I sincerely appreciate that hermano. It also makes me feel less insane

 

This guy's the man, I think some of you will enjoy this:

[video=youtube;9c8an2XZ3MU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c8an2XZ3MU[/video]

 

Three Hanalei fishermen caught what they described as a 13-foot, 1,500-pound tiger shark Wednesday night in Hanalei Bay, roughly five miles east of where 13-year-old surf star Bethany Hamilton lost her arm to a shark last month.

Ralph Young, a Napali Coast boat tour operator, said last night that he had been trying to catch a shark for five days after it had been spotted numerous times near popular surf areas in the region.

Young said he is a friend of Bethany's father, but he was not hunting the shark for revenge or notoriety.

"This is a magnificent creature ... and I don't think it's necessary to kill all of the sharks in the islands by any means," said Young in a telephone interview. "But the way this one was patrolling and the repetition of it ... the potential for harm by this one was real strong.

"I would have felt bad if I didn't catch him."

Bethany lost her left arm just above the shoulder on Oct. 31 from what was believed to be a 14-foot tiger shark while surfing at Makua Beach, also known as Tunnels, on Kauai's North Shore.

A 17-inch bite was measured from Bethany's surfboard after the attack.

Young said he measured the mouth of the shark he and two fellow fishermen caught as 17 inches wide.

However, Young stressed that when they cut open the shark, they found nothing inside to indicate that it might have been the one that bit Bethany.

"She had a watch, I believe. And a chunk of the surfboard could have been there, but we found nothing," he said.

"I would say the bite is the only similarity. The fin described by the lifeguards is also similar to the fin on this shark. There's a connection there but that's a rough description."

Young said he first laid out what he called a "shark rig" five nights ago, consisting of heavy cable, a 20-inch hook and a 6-foot gray shark as bait. That night, he said, the shark took the bait but got away, bending the hook straight while doing so.

Though there were some close calls after that, he said it was not until Wednesday night that the shark finally "made a mistake."

"We found him about 50 feet from the surf break," he said.

"Even Bethany's dad (Tom Hamilton) doesn't want everyone to go out and start killing sharks," Young said. "But everyone should be aware that they're notorious for being in Hanalei in the months of October and November -- especially surfers and parents of surfers."

Hanalei firefighters said a tourist showed them pictures of the shark that the fishermen had caught.

Young said that after gutting the shark and removing its jaw, they disposed of the carcass at sea.

 

If you had a lion or tiger patrolling a village or camp eating people, which is quite common in Africa and India, are you just supposed to sit back and deal with it?

Could argue the "we are in their domain" when in the ocean...but I don't know about that one.
A shark has the whole damn ocean to use...we just want to swim or surf in the first couple hundred feet of it. Can't we all just get along?
Never bought the "shark just made a mistake" and thought you were a seal argument.
Those attacks in West Oz have been horrific, friends battling sharks to try to keep their friend alive. Shark coming back and consuming the entire guy. That's no mistake.

Sometimes, they gots to go...they gots to GO

 

I personally wouldn't go that far, but Chinese(or anyone) who poach tigers to make ineffective potions with their bones should be fed alive to wild boars.

 

So if a tiger shark attacks someone should they kill all the reef sharks?

At least with Bethany they got a shark that may be the one that got her.