The Zealous SUPer – A modern day parable

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by capecodcdog, May 13, 2014.

  1. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    pretty funny I actually never seen a sUPer in person.i seen a few of those ocean kayakers and it looks like a nuisance but never had a bump in with a sup...sup bro...sup........bro
     
  2. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    heres' what suppers do at my local spot: they show up, paddle out, catch waves, go home, come back,
    catch waves, go home and never seen again...
     

  3. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Good parable cdog.

    When did yankee get banned?
     
  4. Hayduke Lives

    Hayduke Lives Well-Known Member

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    Mar 28, 2014
    When god found out he was ___
     
  5. reefscar

    reefscar Well-Known Member

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    Jul 12, 2012
    That's classic!! So you agree an SUP is a Coast Guard regulated vessel (i.e. A boat) but when its running over surfers in the surf zone we should all pretend it's not a boat. I'm calling bs on that logic. In my opinion a boat is a boat. If you use an oar or a paddle you have removed yourself from access to the surf zone.and if big brother govt doesn't regulate they can pay up when some kid gets sliced by a paddle by a zealous SUPer. Then the local town councils will wake up.
     
  6. bennysgohome

    bennysgohome Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2009
    Paddle or as I call it cheating. It's alot easier to paddle a tank with a big paddle than paddling/popping up on a surfboard. They can keep paddling even on the wave since they are already prone. They shouldn't even be in the lineup since it is basically cheating. If they are in the lineup, they should the furthest person from the peak and take anything that passes the surfers.
     
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  7. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    No, that's not at all what I said. All I did was state what the rules really are here to clarify the incorrect statement. 1st of all it's not a boat or a "vessel", it's a freaking surfboard. Several years ago they were being made pretty heavy but most SUP's being made these days aren't any heavier than the typical LB. You can actually buy some SUP's that are lighter and shorter than a lot of LB's and even some fun shapes. It's not to say that some of them out there aren't big and heavy, because I know some are, especially the beginners out there, but those guys need to go down the beach away from the crowd as I stated earlier.

    As far as the paddle goes, i'm not aware of anybody getting their heads cut off by them or anything. Most guys put a guard around the edge of the paddle blade or they'll use tape around the edges to make them more dull, to not only avoid injury to themselves, but also to their board. If someone hits another person with it, then they're just a complete moron who shouldn't be in the water anyways, or they're violent to begin with and they wouldn't need a paddle to do harm to someone, it could be anything.

    Look, I totally get why some may feel uncomfortable with an SUP around them, as I stated earlier, I've even had run-ins myself while on my SB or LB, but only a couple, and those that I barked at apologized and moved down the beach to prevent further incident. It takes a little communication in the line up from the more experienced guys to keep that stuff regulated. If someone has a problem with taking it down the beach then you handle it like men.
     
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  8. reefscar

    reefscar Well-Known Member

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    Jul 12, 2012
    DawnPatrol, what the rule says is that a paddleboard (SUP) is a vessel “beyond the narrow limits of a swimming, surfing or bathing area.” It's generally understood that the Coast Guard allows the swimming, surfing and bathing areas to be regulated by local towns. That's why you have local lifeguards at beaches instead of the Coast Guard. Its not a "surfboard" if you use and oar or an paddle, its a vessel. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. If you want to go prone on your SUP in the line-up, and paddle with your hands you should be welcomed.

    I'm biased and I don't deny it. I like SUPs and enjoy paddling them in open ocean. Its great exercise. But, it has no business being in the surfing areas. The reason more people aren't injured by the paddles is not because the SUPers are so cautious and nice. Its because those of us on surf boards move out of the way when an SUPer comes sweeping through the lineup to catch his 5th wave in a row. If two guys on surfboards paddle for the same wave its positioning, paddle strength, and ability. But an SUPer simply starts paddling (through the lineup) and people move or get hit.

    As far regulating and barking at people - that's not the point. Laird Hamilton brought this SUP business to the forefront. I've surfed while Laird was SUPing at my local break many times and here's the thing - he's Laird. He's confident enough, skilled enough, and friendly enough that he catches a large set wave and waits his turn. He's not the norm. The vast majority of SUPers think they are on some conveyor belt of "I'm next" where they sweep through the lineup, catch a wave, paddle out around the pack, and sweep for the next wave. That's the norm. If Laird chose to do that you try and regulate him (and Dave Kalama)- good luck. And what happens when 5 guys on SUPs are on the conveyor belt of waves? The tough guy regulator thing only goes so far. You're not likely surfing Pipe. More likely you are surfing some spot with a parking lot, a freeway within 10 minutes, some fast food places nearby, and waves which for 90% of the summer months when it gets really crowded are inconsequential at best. It stopped being the wild west in the lineup when Costco and Target started selling SUPs to the masses.

    Lastly, like I've said, when, not if, someone gets really hurt by an SUP in the swimming, surfing, bathing area, (especially by a paddle blade), they will have the Coast Guard vessel designation as a pretty strong argument that local communities should have better regulated their beaches.
     
  9. capecodcdog

    capecodcdog Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2012
    Reefscar, I understand your point regarding SUPs in crowded lineup areas. These would seem to be the typical case in SoCal/NJ and other populated or popular resort areas.

    But, I think it boils down to etiquette and skill. Regardless of craft, inexperienced surfers and those that do not understand the dynamics of the line up etiquette need to move to an uncrowded area. We all have seen lineups get messed up by those on ALL types of boards.

    My context for SUP surfing is much different than your experience. I live in a relatively uncrowded area with nearly 40 miles of National Seashore. When I have surfed the SUP (and it makes super fun days out of nominal surf, even days that may not be surfable on other craft), typically it is at sun up, and the more popular peak is uncrowded. Most of the dudes on SUPs are there early, have decent skills, and when that peak gets a little crowded, they move down the beach and also to spots that are more accessible to SUPs. Additionally, having respect and realizing the greater challenge prone have bro's have (spotting/paddling), I have even seen the cool SUPers let waves pass through to the proners that are slotted in "position A", even giving them a heads up to gun it and go for it.

    Arbitrating a crowded lineup isn't fun for anyone. That is why if one has an area with many peaks and breaks, it's good to spread out. Personally, I'd rather share a "lesser" peak with a few guys, and catch more waves, than mixing it up in a crowded line up. More waves means more work, which translates to better skills.

    I am hoping that your point isn't that SUPs should not be surfed. That would seem a little narrow minded. I've said this before, but some of the best waterman/surfers on the Cape surf SUPs in addition to SB/LBs. Others on this forum have testified this in their areas. There is a time and place for everything.
     
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  10. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    You know what, i'm tired of being nice about it, i'm breaking out the SUP this weekend and I'm mowing down everybody in the water from the Jetty all the way down the beach. I think you should apologize to all of the soon to be critically injured for being so selfish.
     
  11. Tlokein

    Tlokein Well-Known Member

    Oct 12, 2012
    Don't forget your banner and your stainless steel nuts!
     
  12. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    I'm flying a rebel flag off the back of my "VESSEL" and putting a brush guard on the nose to avoid getting any dings from people's heads hitting my board (freaking kooks), and stainless steel nuts in place of the center fin. All while blasting David Allen Coe from my boombox resting on my shoulder...
     
  13. Riley Martin's Disgruntled Neighbor

    Riley Martin's Disgruntled Neighbor Well-Known Member

    Aug 22, 2012
    HMS DPSUP will be under full steam with guns blazing this weekend and the Captain is taking no prisoners.
     
  14. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Was just wondering where Manisses has been recently, good to see ya Bub! If you want tickets to the demolition derby you're going to have find them on Stubhub, only a few left, standing room only!
     
  15. capecodcdog

    capecodcdog Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2012
    DP, search the web, there may be some weaponry compatible with a GoPro mount...

    Fitzpedo, "Gator Country Style".

    Maybe you need some Molly Hatchet blaring from that boom box .. ".. I'm going back to the gator country so give me some elbow room .."
     
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  16. goosemagoo

    goosemagoo Well-Known Member

    900
    May 20, 2011
    I'm imagining a 8" steel spike mounted to the nose of your board. Who's got the balls to drop in on ya then?

    Along the same vein I thing tailgating and schitty driving in general could be eliminated by mounting a similar spike in the center of everyone's steering wheel.
     
  17. reefscar

    reefscar Well-Known Member

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    Jul 12, 2012
    DP, you say: "My context for SUP surfing is much different than your experience. I live in a relatively uncrowded area with nearly 40 miles of National Seashore. When I have surfed the SUP (and it makes super fun days out of nominal surf, even days that may not be surfable on other craft), typically it is at sun up, and the more popular peak is uncrowded."

    I think its great that you are able to surf in an uncrowded area. With that in mind, its difficult to give your perspective much weight when it comes to SUPs and crowds. Its a whole different ball game if you are surfing a reef or point break with five wave sets and 6 SUPs in the lineup -there's no moving down to the next peak. But if you have 40 miles of uncrowded surf it doesn't seem like you have much to worry about riding your SUP.
     
  18. capecodcdog

    capecodcdog Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2012
    Reefscar, I think we all concur and understand that scenario. Additionally, crowded lineups are for the "mature" waterman who have necessary skills and abide in lineup etiquette.
     
  19. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Yeah buddy, just need me a Tommy Gun to install to the GoPro mount, that'll teach em!
     
  20. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Thank you for your understand, however I believe that quote is actually from capecodcdog, it's all the same though, we have plenty of scattered peaks around these here parts as well. I would never crowd a limited take off spot with a SUP, i'd rather be on my 6'4" Coil if that were the conditions.