Shinnecock Tribe wants to kick out the richers from the East End...

allowing the continued genocide of a walled off people is one of the greatest injustices of our time

ironic that those put in ghettos now put others in ghettos.

btw, did you misplace a lol somewhere int there?

 

link me?

did they go steal (another) 1000 hectares of land and then wonder why they get blowback?

 

wow, must maintain pure bloodlines in the fatherland? ah hypocrisy, unfortunately it what drives the world


found it:
Israel is not only a signatory to, but also helped craft the 1951 UN Refugee Convention. Formed in the wake of the Holocaust, which resulted in millions of Jewish refugees, the Convention was meant to protect future generations of refugees


to get bck on track, litigation and laws wont undo the genocide/theft in the past, but ah, how to move forward, cause obviously that sh!t leaves a mark

 

Seldom, Did you get your location (Turtle Island) from the Native Americans? They call North America Turtle Island
If you really want to get pissed off about this topic, then read two books:
'Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee' This will give you a detailed historical perspective.
"In the Spirit of Crazy Horse" This is about the modern Indian Wars and The American Indian Movement and the shootout between them and the FBI (Leonard Peltier) back in the 70s.
I've been out to Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. It's a little piece of the 3rd world right in our country.
Funny this topic was brought up today being that on this date in 1877 Crazy Horse was murdered.

 

Uhgggg learn the true history of this country and the natives involvement in there own demise before saying this was "their" land. Look at it this way, for all of the natives history one tribe was murdering another for food, land and resources. Tribes were forming alliances to gang up on others, crossing rivers and lakes to expand territory and hunting grounds, this was happened for tens of thousands of years. Then one day a tribe came from across another big lake "an ocean" to find resources since it had depleted its own ( and yes the Indians did the same here before and were forced to move and displace others). This new tribe was not prepared for the hardships it was facing and a few pragmatic "native" tribes ( weakened by a lack of food and few allies) decided to link up with this new tribe instead of driving them into the ocean. They lived harmoniously for 50 years before problems arose in the relationship and they started fighting. In the end one was stronger and drove the weaker tribes back. Slowly over time the stronger of the two needed more resources and began to push against its frontier and the cycle of treatise and disagreements started again. This is the dynamic history of America that is far more complex, less planned and much less sinister than the politically correct bull crap that is shoved down our throats.

 

wow zippy, thank you for the simplistic version of history where might makes right.

50 years lived in peace? problems arose? like what? more euros coming and killing and stealing?

thanks for justifying it and ignoring the inhumanity of killing people for resources

here the future according to zippy:
[video=youtube;US0zTGC-fSI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US0zTGC-fSI[/video]

and agreed seldom, I dont think anyone is less than anyone else (except for pop stars) but I will call out injustice when I see it, no matter what group is perpetrating it

 

Zippy, no need to fell guilty about it, that's not the intent. Knowledge is the intent.
Yep, Manifest Destiny began a full century before Hitler's attempt at getting himself some living space. Euro trash settling the new world won and the USA/Canada/Mexico etc were created. Thankfully Hitler lost. It's just the way things went down. If your all or part native, you can be bitter or angry and if you are of Euro descent you can feel guilty but what and where will that get us? Move forward lads.
" I was once asked if my wife was a Navajo, I said no she's a Chicago Ho."

 

And Google the Trail of Tears, look up 19th century traders purposely giving Plains Indian tribes blankets infected with smallpox, the Forty Laramie Treaty of 1868 which created an independent Lakota Sioux nation which included the Black Hills, The Dawes Act, Mining leases on Southwest and Plains Indian reservations, Poverty rates, suicide rates, employment rates on reservations.....

 

[video=youtube_share;l53bmKYXliA]http://youtu.be/l53bmKYXliA[/video]
Last 5,000 years in Europe, time lapse in 3 minutes.

http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
Animated History Map of Middle East in 90 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nerjkIn4Wtg
South America..... By Colonization

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUoypQ0ykwI
Caribbean in 90 seconds....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO_v7RvzFqM
Asia

http://mapstory.org/maps/171/
Africa

So, I guess all I have to say is, look at the world. Look at every inch of this planet. It's all the same. Eventually, everyone's neighbor has tried to take their land with bloodshed. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not. We are left with what we have today. Humans have about a 5,000 year history of this. Humans by nature have always killed for land and resources. Europeans are no different. Asia was no different. Africa was no different. Everything is the same. Although the Native American's were certainly mistreated and their land was stolen, they are in the same boat as everyone in world history. Eventually, everyone has to fight for what is theirs and if they can't protect it, they no longer own it. The "Indians" just happened to be in isolation from the rest of the world for a long period of time. Eventually, when the rest of the world saw this bountiful land, it was going to be taken. It was just a matter of by whom. I doubt that non-european settlers would have even attempted to make any deals or arrangements with the natives.

In modern times, we act a little more civilized about it, but the history looks the same on every inch of the globe. People killing people for land and resources. The rest is "history". You can't really go handing out restitution.

Had any other group of people wanted this continent and moved in before the euros did, it would have had the same result. Probably a more poor outcome for the native Americans.

 

all these history majors coming out of the woodwork.....

everyone's laissez faire attitude towards killing for money is a little disheartening, we better than that yet?

 

Way to go guys- I guess, just like closeouts, there is no such thing as colonialism or oppression. Or right and wrong.

I completely understand the desire to shy away from the PC lens and see things as they are. But the fatalistic, Hobbesian ideas that Zippy and Zach are putting forward are the exact viewpoints which allow wars to proliferate and poverty and hunger to remain unaddressed in a world where there is more than enough food and money. These viewpoints aren't only fatalistic and reductionist- they're outright absurd and ignorant.

If you lived a self-sustaining agricultural lifestyle completely off the grid, then fine, I could see where you are coming from. But you live in a privileged place in society, with privileges that were fought for- not just by colonists against natives, or 'the troops' against whoever, but by abolitionists against slavery and radicals against censorship. The land you are on may have been gained by the conquests of reductionist warmongers, but the freedoms you enjoy were gained by the blood and sweat of activists and subversives.

We arguably live in a nation, and global timeframe, in which human rights and freedom are guaranteed like no other point in history. Do not take that for granted. Your viewpoints are what allow the greatest tragedies of the world to proliferate unencumbered. The corporations and government have you well trained.

 

MIS
I hope so...

No history major, just savvy enough to complete a 30 second google search to make a point.