Shinnecock Tribe wants to kick out the richers from the East End...

When I was a kid I used to Cowboys and Indians with my brother. I was always the cowboy and I always kicked his a$$... Then I'd claim both the top and bottom bunks as my land and make him sleep on the floor.

I am part of the problem.

 

Where White Man Went Wrong

Indian Chief "Two Eagles" was asked by a white U.S. government official, 'You have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done."

The Chief nodded in agreement.
The official continued, "Considering all these events, in your opinion where did the white man go wrong?"

The Chief stared at the government official then replied, "When white man find land, Indians runnning it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water, women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex."

Then the Chief leaned back and smiled, "Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve a system like that."

 

not superior, by any means
So does bringing atrocities to light count as doing something? or nothing?
how about lobbying and spreading the word on police body cams and accountability? something or nothing?
the way problems are addressed is first by TALKING about them and then seeing what needs to be done
could I keep going? yep, but enjoy your protected generic life where you dont need to question propaganda

keep eating chips and watching football frannie, I am sure the problem will solve itself
oh wait it wont?

it will take cogent motivated compassionate individuals not hypnotized by TV and pop culture to make a difference. what one are you? the one who says, yes there is a problem I recognize it and I will discuss it and find solutions, or yep there is a problem, who cares, all that bad stuff happens and I cant fix it, gimme some TV



very good story LazyE

NYNJ your posts pretty much make me chuckle on the reg

 

So then we are in agreement? I agree that we should not condone foreign people working under dangerous conditions for a fraction of the pay they would receive in the U.S., degrading their environment in a manner that's illegal here, so that we can have access to cheap goods and services, and so that our Companies can produce large profits for their executive class.

I suppose this means you're willing to pay for more for gasoline, fuel oil, electricity, and paved roads, right? Why did it get so quiet around here....

 

That was funny. It reminds me of a NY'er cartoon with two caveman sitting in the cave and one goes to another: "Something is very odd and wrong here...we get plenty of exercise and fresh air, everything we eat is practically organic..water clean. Yet we all day around 30!"
Penicillin is a mother!@#.
Not to be pulled into a ridiculous conversation but the changes MIS would like to see would be great. There is a superfund you could donate to that fights awful campaign funding. That being said, I agree with Zach that though flawed like any other system in place stars and stripes in a really good place...and people who think this sucks have never lived elsewhere. There is a lot worse. And helluva a lot more corruption out there. There is a reason so many strive to move here and live under this system rather than eat coconuts and have nothing elsewhere. It's all matter of perspective.
Born and bred American is usually the best candidate to have naive views and talk $#@! about this country. Foreigners know what's up and are more realistic..and are trying to get visas rather than *****.

 

slashdog, you might have gone too deep, most people dont get that their lifestyle rests on the back of 3rd world workers, it s hard realizion to admit to, you know that you have it so good AT THE EXPENSE of others

what can be done?

first step is to recognize a problem, AA taught me that, not that Ive been, but friends, etc etc

tuono, thats like saying, my rapist is the most gentle, while a sound argument, its still rape (taxes and the bloodshed that is needed to keep america in style with cheap goods)

you call it *****ing, I call it recognizing a problem

 

A quick reply- Not many HERE have it all that good. If cheap goods (WallMart) is what you are referring to than it is capitalism and open markets that you would like to go away. To be replaced...by nothing (hey, anarchy ideally and cavemen, too!). World economy is improving and conditions elsewhere are getting better. Those are manufacturing jobs, and people in Bangladesh are happy to have them and make more than they did before, tilling little patches of land. So, just to get one thing straight, it is not AT THE EXPANSE of others. It's through cooperation with others.
Problems have been recognized but grand solutions are in short supply. But, overall, there are reasons to be optimistic. Be happy where you live because someone down the line had the balls and reason to jump the ship and now you can live where there is still plenty.
The world is a done locally now.

 

apples to oranges. Applying american works standards is not theft.

 

so, a counter argument can be made that without americans buying cheap goods, those people could be A LOT worse off (no jobs etc)

 

I gotta disagree Tuono, you kinda lay it out in a simplified version, voluntary? wage slave is more appropriate

I dont want open markets to go away, but we dont have open markets, we have gamed and leveraged markets that were created by gvt

Govt is a tool of the oligarchs... Regulatory systems, monetary systems, elections, etc... All a playground to be gamed and leveraged while the 99.99% go serfing

if you cant see the injustice in the system, they did a good job of hding it from you or making you beleiev the cage was a illusion

 

open markets would create rich and poor as well.

 

heaven forbid they continue to live a substance life, I get it, with substance life= caveman, no penicillin, etc.
whats better? to work 18 hours a day ina factory for a long life? or a short life with family and friends? I know what one id prefer

we are better than this now, to argue for it to be OK is NOT OK

 

it would be less arbitrary and more likely to reward hard workers as oppsosed to rewarding people based on birthplace

 

Its ironic that you mention free markets then this. The manipulation of the markets with things like unionization and wage controls by governments cause this type of situation.

 

my fault, I got all idealistic

 

Im saying no job rather than 18 hours, not a 'no work' or 'no show' like Sopranos

ad while I am against wage controls, if workers want to voluntarily collectively bargain, good on them

and if employers want to hire outside of that group, thats fine for them too

its called leaving people alone so long as they arent hurting others, crazy, I know

 

<applause> I think part of the problems comes with those controls. If american companies could hire unskilled labor at a market rate, i think they would instead of going through the hassle of shipping, etc.

 

Do you truly believe that, unencumbered by unions or laws that protect laborers, corporations and business owners would have voluntarily instated the 8-hour workday, weekends, health benefits, workers comp, or disability? Please answer this.

People had to shed blood for those things because most business owners and corporations would grind people into the dirt, discarding them after the frailty of years of physical labor, throwing a uniform on the next desperate soul- just as the donkey is whipped to its death in the field.

The 'free market' you suggest would never solve this problem, it is but a veneer for the disproportionate extraction of wealth. We have laws for the greater good of society- laws that protect the rights of the elites and the rights of the poor. The laws just protect the rights of elites more, reinforcing the economic stratification of society.

I have not worked at one small business in which most workers were able to retire. They grow old and die poor, as the owners grow old and die with security.

Rand Paul Hype Train 2016

 

really do. Ive seen in in non-union shops. The high skill people don't like that workplace and they take their skill set and go to a better job. It's called personal responsibility. those who take advantage of opportunities generally excel, those that don't are stuck.