Who works in sales?

if u are not Gordon gecko or Jordon Belfort,dont take it to heart.if u are,than congrats on having a fabulous life.

no hard feelings dog,fuk u all and have a great night

 

again u missed the wall st part but whatever.

hey people have to sell the shyt I make so,everybodys got a job to do.
and how does my job help America?

well my last contract job before I started my current job was building a medical office in shrewsbury,nj,pretty sure its done by now.its right near the 2 car dealerships there..I didn't actually build the entire building by the way,but did the 3rd floor,hanging all the columns,i beams,trusses,etc.then the hvac guys came in put up the ducts,electric guys did their thing and that's about it.i enjoy this type of work its good excercize and ur not sitting on a chair all day looking at a clock.the jobs done when we finish,not at 3:30

 

My bad. I didn't see realize you were only talking about Wall St...

And my point wasn't that what you do doesn't benefit the country. I was just saying it's not any better for the country than other jobs.

I was a union electrician for a few years. I actually loved what I did. If it wasn't so hard for contractors to compete with illegal's wages I'd probably still be.

 

You 9 to 5ers just don't get what the salesmen gets. He gets that you only get to eat what you kill. The salesman is the consummate closer. He is nature embodied. Without him, nothing gets done and there is no economy. I could go on and on but you cats just wouldn't get it. Without urgency and execution, thirst is not quenched and livelihood not preserved.

When schitt hits the fan, the salesman will find a way. He will enlist the handyman and they will work in concert. This whole "we all get a piece of the pie if we just punch in and out and show up" is communal crap that mankind would combust spontaneously upon if that's all that existed within us. The salesman puts the food on the table. So does your employer. Yet many on here choose to piss away their employer's overhead 5 days a week. You ever employed anyone? It's like raising thankless children that suck off your teat and crap out waste products yet don't add to the family stock.

 

Don't believe I ever said you were a thief, or that most salesmen were, for that matter. I'm happy to hear that you sell something necessary.

But I believe I can get at the heart of the purported hatred for salespeople, or stockbrokers/financial workers.

If I go to buy a new car, I have to go to a car dealership, and deal with a car salesman. Without the dealerships, as you said, Ford would still need the salespeople. However, the middle man would be cut out. If I buy direct from Ford I could get the car much cheaper, yes?

The salesperson, in this model, is only at the dealership to raise the profit margin as much as possible. He is there to convince me that I need all this extra sh*t, to basically swindle me out of my money. The dealership owner lets his salespeople know, if you don't sell enough, you get fired, and you can't feed your family. So lie cheat and tell these idiots whatever you have to, but sell some f*cking cars. The dealership owner exploits his employees, who in turn are forced to exploit me, the customer, to earn their wages. Same goes for basically any commission based sales that are direct to the customer; real-estate, electronics, f*ck, even the dentist does this sh*t, it's sickening.

Now, contractors do this sh*t too. But electricians, carpenters, iron workers- they know how much they are making. They're at the job site cause they know how to erect a wall. Not because they know how to rip people off. Wall goes up, guy goes home. It's just easy for people to view that more innocently and of that I am guilty.

As many have said there are thieves everywhere, I didn't mean to bust your balls too hard. But I believe the distaste for salespeople comes from the exploitative nature of capitalism, which is inherently obvious in many sales positions. They are frequently there to take our money with words, rather than in a simple exchange for a pre-defined product.

 

Dude, stop drinking so much of the Kool-Aid, or soon you're gonna be running for office.

Good for you that you identify in our society. That doesn't change the fact that economy is a bullsh*t exploitative human political system, and anyone who has studied economics, from either side of the aisle, can tell you that.

 

Gotcha, your post seemed to be directed at all sales people which is what I had a problem with but thanks for clarifying. There are good and bad people in every industry. My company deals directly with contractors like you all day every day, and we need each other to be in business so it's all good.

 

9 to 5? In what industry is that even possible. I have been working, professionally, for almost 10 years and still never had a 9-5 job. My first job was 50+ hrs a week on the reg.
As for sales, I worked in a sales group for almost 3 years. Sales is stressful, but salesmen also get a lot of freedom other professionals don't get to enjoy. Sales and technical customer support is much worse. You get to work normal hours, plus all the odd hours of the customer and sales guys. I would be drinking a beer at 11pm, and get calls from sales guys wanting technical support.

 

Sorry about that dude, I just cleared it out for ya

 

Depends, I work 8:30-5:30 M-F, off on weekends and paid vacation / holidays, rarely work more than 40hrs/wk, it's out there, just gotta look around.

 

Lucky bastard. That rarely happens in the engineering world (well, in the USA). Meanwhile, Europe has 35hr work weeks and sh1t tons of vacation.

 

There is a big difference in what everyone is talking about here. Wall Street and a "Sales Job" are not one in the same.

For instance, I don't spend one minute of my day selling sh** to people that they don't need or want. That said, I sell sh** to people all the time. Businesses, movies, whatever. People go to my websites, see what I do, then they call or email me, then I sell them a ton of sh** that they want. I make money, they get what they want, and life goes on.....

There is a big difference between cold calling sales and telemarketing and all that crap. I am not talking about people going door to door trying to sell you blockbuster video coupons.

Think about it. There are so many businesses that need to travel, that need to do a million things to continue their operations. Movies spend millions on sh** they use for one day. There are tons of businesses out there, that need a ton of things that they don't have. And if there is no "Sales Guy" or gal to sell them sh**, then part of our economy comes to a stand still.

I would not advocate getting into many types of sales, but like I said, the cake sales jobs are the ones where the clients all come to you, because you have a quality product or service that they need. Period. It's the most simple form of business and it keeps a large majority of this countries economy moving. And it's honest work. You aren't trying to "convince" or trick people into purchasing things. You simply give them what they want. ...

Just something to think about.

 

Yeah, a lot of our clients are engineers and they work a sh*t ton of hours, very demanding profession, but find the right niche and you could be set for life after you put in your time.

 

I agree with much of what you say, especially the part about there being a big difference between Wall Street and regular sales jobs, but I gotta say, ^^^ this right here is NOT sales, that's order taking. Anybody can take an order from someone who already knows what they want and come directly to you to buy it. You can hire any cashier from the local grocery store to do that. I got your point though, sure it would be "cake" to sit back and wait for orders, but true sales people never just sit and wait, they hunt and gather.

 

Kind of. Without sharing too much personal information, I will try and add to that statement. Most of what I am talking about, is that people come to us with questions and general ideas. At that point, we guide them through a a process and "sell" to them. They don't just show up and say, I need a 20 food Panda bear. I will talk to a big client and they will tell me that they need to design and setup 10 different sets and scenes for a movie. I take notes, the following day, they get a proposal back and they begin to get "sold to".... So, I get it. But it's not like taking fast food orders. Its deal with businesses that have a lot of money to spend on things they need and we explain to them HOW to spend their money....

That said, we are always looking for new business and clients and sometimes you find it. But I don't spend one minute of my cold calling anyone. Maybe ill stop by and check in on big clients and make sure that there are no needs in the near future.

So, maybe it's not traditional sales. But its a 100% salary with very generous commissions. Not sure what to call it. But I sell sh** to people at the end of the day. Right now anyway. That is not my trade by nature.

 

Yeah what YOU do is definitely sales, a niche market for sure, and sounds very interesting, so it must be fun! There are plenty of "sales" jobs though that are in reality just an order taking position, but hey, if money is exchanged, it's technically a sale.

I'd love to find another niche market to work in. I'm starting to look at jobs in Melbourne and can't wait to find something different than what i'm currently doing. After over 10 years i'm just burnt out on this industry. I'll continue doing it if that's all there is, but I gotta believe I'm going to find something more interesting and fun that what i'm doing now. I'm not on the phone anymore so I'd prefer to stay in management if possible, but if it requires getting back on the phone I might just do that if the money is right and the flexibility is there to surf every day.

Ideally I would find a small - medium sized company that needs someone to lead a group of sales people. Nothing too high stress. Or if that isn't an option, i'd like to get into something completely different. I'd probably take a hit on my income, but if we're still able to pay the bills and travel once or twice per year then i'm ok with that. I just want to be able to surf every day and make a living at this point. I don't need much, just waves, woman, bag of herb, Yuengling, food, my dog, and friends / family.

 

Well look me up if you are ever considering a south carolina island relocation, cause I could get you in front of the right people, doing some very interesting stuff.

 

Zach are you hiring?

 

I will definitely keep that in mind, I appreciate that offer man. Don't know how I feel about moving to SC, but it's good to know it's an option.