Who works in sales?

hahaha. yes, we need salemen. lots of them. please. how about...we NEED to start manufacturing things in this country again? how about that? we need skilled labor jobs in this country again? what I see is a bunch of companies farming out everything (manufacturing, engineering, product support, you name it). yet, they keep the American sales/marketing/etc force. it's one of the few ways to really make a living in this country is to sling stuff at a huge markup because it's made overseas. if we invested in the blue collar guy, as opposed to factories in China/India/etc, and a bunch of puppet-head sales and marketing people, the US wouldn't be such a paper tiger. OK, stepping off the soapbox.

 

sucks for you, man. like he said, you gotta look.

 

yea that's awesome u were a journeyman electrician,that's what I always wanted to be but the school I went to stopped doing it the year I started.I ended up doing auto mechanics which made my back 10x worse and in pain that it already is.

yea but my hates directed towards the people that try to sell u a dream.I remember when the 401k people showed up at my job a few years ago,and started talking about ohh if u see ur money go down,don't worry,that's fine,another 10 years itll be back up lol.

I tried reading up on the stocks and bonds trading in books,but its too complicated for me.shyt if I could be a sleezy salesmen selling people wet dreams id do it,why not look at the money u make.but I don't think it benefits anybody but u.and those people are evil.I feel the same way with nfl players.get paid millions to sack the shyt out of each other and throw a pigskin.pro surfers don't make a quarter of what the nfl/mlb players make and their job is a matter of life and death each session.

I noticed when I start ranting when I say "u" im not referring to anybody by name or whatever,its basically the people that do the trade.shyt the one thing I hate the most is bankers lol,any bankers in here?but if I could be an investment banker,again id take the job.im a weird person,I love and hate what I do for a living.some days I feel like hey I can work all night,and other days like today I just want to go home.

 

You've got many good points Salt, but let me say that we have actually increased manufacturing jobs. The problem is that the only way to be competitive with cheap foreign labor is to go high tech; you can't compete with 50 chinese working for 2 dollars an hour, but you can have innovative manufacturing machines that make a superior product. The problem is that the same industry doesn't employ 50 people here anymore, the machine does the vast majority of the work and creates only a few jobs.

You are correct about the markup stuff, as I said Capitalism at its core is exploitative, but we have gotten rid of the positions which were acceptable exploitation (American middle class 1950-80), and replaced them with the exploitation of foreigners, destroying the middle class in the process.

We do need to invest in the blue collar guy, absolutely; we need to do so by training him to write code and design the web. As my previous paragraph attests, there is only a small amount of manufacturing jobs in the future. We need to invest in our human capital by training the workforce to be competitive in the 21st Century service oriented economy. No politics there, just trying to invest in our future.

Why didn't highschool have a surfboard shaping class?

 

Bro, I'm so non-mainstream it's not even funny. I live in a circle of impact (which is pretty big), not a circle of concern like 97% of society. Everything I do, including the economy I operate in, is a terrarium and ecosystem separate from the macro of society.

I'm talking about the hustlers when I say "salesmen". I'm really talking about "closers" - the guys who get er done in the end. People that are concerned with the bottom line of results and what actually happens in the world, not what we'd like to happen or enjoy simply thinking about. Action, baby. It's in short supply more each day.

See my above post. 50+ hours a week is standard for a salaried employee. To me, that's still 9-5 (i.e. getting to leave work at work and knock off at reasonable times every day). Salesmen NEED freedom allotted. Otherwise they can't deliver the goods. And they sure as hell earn that freedom on their output. When I say sales, I'm talking the types of people that quantity of hours worked in a week isn't even worth tallying because they are results-driven. The bottom line and outcome rests on their output. Again, "salesmen" in this case are the leaders and doers. The people that get things done.

There are very, very few people that live on a seat of changing temperature dependent on output where their livelihood is merit-based whether it means "selling" customers or "selling" the people you oversee to ensure the job gets done. Some call that management, I call it closing. The people that sleep with one eye open if not two.

Closers. Coffee is for closers. Closers don't breathe too easily.

FWIW, this is kind of a fruitless discussion to have because the non-closers of society just don't get it and that's ok. We need them too.

 

They got missile permits in SC, dude.

 

Looks like many of the high roller mega posters here are in sales. That's about the onliest way one could afford the stuff y'all talk about... 10 different surfboards, designer booze, trips to Central America, etc, etc, etc. Hey, more power to ya. Just a demographic observation. Like I said earlier, I'd be up sh** creek without a paddle OR a boat if it weren't for my salesman boss / company owner. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. It seemed kinda weird at first here though, a surfin forum with rich guys. It's all good now though. I get it.

Emass, I'd probably buy a ticket to watch your sellin butt in action. I can tell you kick a**.

I love you man, but it's Git-R-Done. Kinda like wetsuite. Proper grammar.

 

143 to you too, braw. Git-R-Done goes in the Glossary. You need to fly a banner for it first though.

But Bruh, you don't have to pay a dime to see Spicoli sell schitt! You see it on the reg at dis break. Whether it's the Carver Green Room 34" completes or getting bros to sack up and kick it to more wahines in the sand or salty vets to shed the jaded mindset and charge wicked hard, life is a sale bro. Best things are for free and you get to witness this revolution gratis my man.

No one's gonna believe anything you say if they don't think you believe it yourself one hundy P. Can't show anything but certainty and passion and stoke when trying to influence others. Why they gonna buy what you're selling if you don't use it yourself? You need to be the stoke club prez and also a client. Nahmeen?

 

Agree with this 100%

China is actually beginning to price itself out of the market. The workers are unionizing and making demands. The factories are much nicer than 10 years ago. And freight has steadily increased.

Like Slash said, the problem is US factories are now able to manufacture with 1/10 the workforce. Companies are first to tell you "made in the US" but they don't tell you they only employ 10 factory workers to do it.

 

Always looking for talent.

 

so.,..does anyone want to work at waffle house with me?

 

The sad truth about all this, is that everyone is correct in their own way. The only counter point I would like to make, is that even if materials and goods are being produced elsewhere, when it comes to SALES, you have to speak proper english and the consumer has to relate to you. You will never hear a guy from India cold calling people in the US. Doesn't work. They get hung up on. A guy who doesn't show up speaking the kinds english and dressed well, face to face and can't close will never be successful. So that sad thing is, regardless of if a machine is producing something, or it's coming from South America, our country still requires American sales teams. Period. That SHOULD be a good thing. Because trust me, Verizon isn't going to call your Sprint phone and try and sell you their network with a guy from India. It's only when you BUY the contract, that you get pushed off to the third world country call center. Once the deal is done, then everything flies off of american soil.

This could be a good thing, or a bad thing. Not sure. But the fact of the matter, is that American consumers feel better about BUYING things from Americans. That sales person represents that. So I guess in summation, if you are in sales, please be choosy about whom it is you sell for. Know your product. And know that the second you get that hand shake, that your clients are then going to get the exploitation of cheap service etc.... I don't know. Just saying, there are a TON of honest companies out there, selling quality goods. And there are a ton out there selling a bunch of sh**.

Just saying.

 

Wow emass, it makes sense why you try and sell your brochacho lifestyle with responses like that. Ego fueled and full of ****.

 

Well, you could say that there's a TON of great shapers out there, but there's a TON of bad ones too.

All that means is that there is a TON of shapers. Nothing qualitative whatsoever.

Nonetheless, I like your characterization of sales very much Zach. The salesman is, in essence, the illusion of quality, a cover for exploitation. You're right, you wouldn't buy sh*t from someone who couldn't speak English because it would feel like you were getting ripped off.

Companies produce phones in other countries with exploitative labor, polluting said countries. Then Verizon hires an American to sell it to you face to face. As if that illusion wasn't bad enough, when you call for customer service 3 hours later, you get a f*cking Indian who you can't even understand- someone who probably moved to Mumbai for a garbage phonebank job because their rural hometown was polluted by a cellphone manufacturing plant.

Once again guys, salesmen aren't inherently evil, but in the positions that most people encounter them each day, they are only there to rip us off, even if they are unaware of it.

 

lol bro, is this another rant you're gonna end up apologizing for in 6 hours like last time? If that's what blows your hair back bruh, have at it.

Curious to which response you're talking about and how they pertain to ego. Anything I sell helps others rather than serves me. The things I "sell" are quite altruistic, actually.

If you're debating my statement that some people in this world put forth effort relentlessly for productive outcomes while others do the minimum or moderate amount, then rock our world by letting us know how you feel different.

After all, this is a forum bro.

 

No this isnt a rant. Im not your "bro" "brah" or anything you find fitting for the subject at hand. Its clear you dont know what part of life isn't some sales pitch. You a rep for carver or step into the liquid? Spicoli bro pass the bong its all the rage these days. Just like a typical scumbag sales person you act the part of **** you don't know, don't live and most importantly you dont realize your intellect is transparent. You type well, and act the part well but sorry emass it doesnt make you any less of a wannabe surf bro.

Keep the table full of the bread you provide. Maybe some grom or idiot will start to think more of the story your attempting to sell.

 

Let's see, according to you, I'm:
- a scumbag
- ****
- not alive
- non-intellectual
- a great typist (aka I CAN READ)
- a wannabe
- egotistical
- full of ****

Glad you've taken the time for such a spirited assessment of my abilities and/or limitations! Much appreciated. FYI, I'm not a Carver salesmen. I just ride them daily and get stoked to the gills off them. Believe it or not, there are people in this world that really do say things and vouch for things without getting paid for them. Take a head count of bros on here that have picked up a Carver as a result - it's quite a few by now and they're thankful for the recommendation.

Just please inform me, how do I get so down to earth and non-judgmental as you where I can assert facts about people without labeling them? Do I need to move into a van and go to Utah to see the light?

btw, in case anyone is wondering, those are really asterisks. I did not insert actual cuss words in there that were automatically starred out. Ryan McCall can enlighten you on what the various **** mean. After all, that **** knows a lot of ****. If I were one of you ****, I'd get my **** together and start thinking and acting a lot more like a **** that Ryan McCall seems to be. That dude is real, not fake!

 

Congrats on not calling me bro in that response. Have you been stuck channeling x to the z the past two years? I know he sold some sweet styles on pimp my ride but sorry emass his musical and tv failure aint a salespitch to idolize.

 

Good call.