Gull Wing BLEF fin

Discussion in 'Global Surf Talk' started by Roy Stuart, Oct 4, 2014.

  1. kidrock

    kidrock Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2010
    Empirical data can be very good, but it has to be collected from a variety of sources over a variety of conditions. Empirical data gains more credibility when backed up by scientific data. When empirical data is limited to only one or two sources with little change in conditions, such data is extremely subjective and needs to be confirmed by opening up the subject model's availability to a wider variety of sources.

    With these boards and fins, empirical data is consistently used with little to zero scientific data. As well, an extremely limited number of people are giving their feedback.

    Randy Rarick is an extremely knowledgeable surfer with years of experience in all ranges of surf, with extensive experience of shapes and their evolution over the years. Mr. Rarick gave a less-than-stellar review of Mr. Stuart's work.

    With $1 million in the bank, giving some other respected surfer/shapers a trial of some of this work would go a long way towards credibility. Maybe Mr. Rarick was wrong? Roy mentioned Mr. McCoy of Australia. How about letting somebody like Wingnut or Tudor take a ride on a V-10?

    Or is Roy afraid of continued negative feedback from the world's most respected surfer/shapers?
     
  2. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Yes Rarick is wrong
     

  3. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    752
    Nov 16, 2013
    funny how the guy who said something bad is wrong....May be that you are wrong roy?

    Anyhow, cj nelson is a respected longboarder. But all he was commenting on was the fin he tried. Not one of the overpriced boards.
     
  4. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Wrong about what?
     
  5. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    752
    Nov 16, 2013
    how great your boards work/ride.
     
  6. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I'm right about that, it doesn't mean however that they suit everyone.

    The question is rather one dimensional, therefore it fails to attract my interest.
     
  7. kidrock

    kidrock Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2010

    And how, exactly, are you right? As previously stated, you have failed to allow anybody of any renown to sample one of your works of art. The only respected one, Mr. Rarick, stated his opinion. I'd would *love* to hear what Greg Noll thinks of your work.

    Face it, you'll never let anyone that is respected in the surfing world sample your work, because you can't handle criticism, constructive or otherwise. Your megalomaniacal ego simply couldn't handle it. Instead, you rationalize that everybody else (i.e., The World) is wrong...and the only person that matters in the world (i.e., You) is right.

    What an isolated and insecure world you live in.
     
  8. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Why so angry?

    I make what I'm inspired to make and what I enjoy riding. I didn't sign up for your programme of industry led endorsement.
     
  9. kidrock

    kidrock Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2010
    Not angry at all...just asking a very simple question. You seem very evasive, and give extremely vague and opaque answers when you choose to give any answer at all. But your last statement pretty much sums up everything. Thanks for playing!!!
     
  10. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Frankly that's nonsense, i answer clearly and honestly and have posted many ride reports and detailed analyses regarding the design elements of my boards and fins and how they work, as well as video.


    What you and your ilk do is ignore almost all real world feedback, retreat to Randy's video and start hurling abuse.


    That's ok with me.


    Randy 'Aloha there'll be blood on the beach if they don't pay 100k' does not impress me at all.
     
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  11. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    There's only one way to find out.


    I ride them, it's the best way to test.
     
  12. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Thanks.

    The most reliable way to get a fin is to buy one, it's fine if you don't but otherwise it's like standing on top of a hill waiting for a roast duck to fly into your mouth.
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    Last edited: Oct 8, 2014
  13. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    I can't afford to buy a new fin, just to test someone's product. Like I said, if you send one to the SE, I would be willing to give it an honest review. You could send to one of the FL guys and they could trade off to the Hilton Head crew. It is just an option to get some real independent reviews. Just a suggestion, take it or leave it. If it were my business, I would send a couple to the east coast and a couple to the west coast.
     
  14. Big Wet Monster

    Big Wet Monster Well-Known Member

    938
    Feb 4, 2010
    Objective Research and Development... commonality with successful businesses - and part of the reason people seek product/service reviews (Yelp, Travelocity, etc.)

     
  15. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I always forget about that one!
     
  16. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Don't flatter yourself. Nobody's angry with you, gnome. You are getting boring, though.

    You keep bombarding our Forum with your Kiwi pixie-dust planks from fantasy land. You get questioned & criticized for those popsicle sticks that you produce. You can't take that.

    The one time that it was given a test surf, your plank didn't measure up. Shoot the messenger, says you, and no more test rides or testing of your products. You just sit there on your island, bleating to your sheep as to how magical your products are.

    Oh, wait, sorry. The other time your plank was test surfed it ended up as a pile of kindling in NorCal. Must have been a terrific apres-surf beach bonfire.

    There's not one other commercial shaper on the planet who refuses to have his products tested. And you are classified as a commercial shaper because you're trying to sell your product.
     
  17. MFitz73

    MFitz73 Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    Stankee is right Roy.... even though you vanish for several weeks at a time.... it never seems like it was long enough when you return...
     
  18. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Yeah can do, thanks for the offer.
     
  19. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Au contraire, I'm taking it, it doesn't mean that I agree with it.
     
  20. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Don't flatter yourself. Nobody's angry with you, gnome. You are getting boring, though.

    You keep bombarding our Forum with your Kiwi pixie-dust planks from fantasy land. You get questioned & criticized for those popsicle sticks that you produce. You can't take that.

    The one time that it was given a test surf, your plank didn't measure up. Shoot the messenger, says you, and no more test rides or testing of your products. You just sit there on your island, bleating to your sheep as to how magical your products are.

    Oh, wait, sorry. The other time your plank was test surfed it ended up as a pile of kindling in NorCal. Must have been a terrific apres-surf beach bonfire.

    There's not one other commercial shaper on the planet who refuses to have his products tested. And you are classified as a commercial shaper because you're trying to sell your product.