the rush of continuous rhythm

I don't follow pro surfing at all, and I misread this to say "Simmons' design works better," and then I thought "wow, somebody beat Slater on a Simmons?" and I assumed it was a mini-Sim, but I was hoping it was one of the full size replicas, and I was all set to Google this and look it up. Then I saw someone quote and respond to you, and I reread the quote, and now I am kind of disappointed.

 

So the answer to my question is nobody here owns and rides one regularly. It's always, "I know a guy" HAHA, nothing wrong with knowing a guy who does it, I guess my point is, if it were the way to go, more of us would be using them regularly. I think it's great to get outside the box and try new things and on a point or consistent reef I bet they go great, but I can't see using one on unpredictable beach break. Maybe i'm wrong, but until one of you says they own and ride them almost exclusively in East Coast beach break and find they work better than traditional boards, I'll just have to "wait and see" on these. I like the concept though, just not for around here.

 

^^^How many guys actually shape aysms though? I agree with what your saying, especially the PB vs BB bit. But the fact that you don't see them allot dosn't necessarily mean they won't work well in east coast stuff. I say this with the illusion that not many shapers know how to shape a asymmetrical board. I really have no idea though. Me asking how many guys shape them is a honest question

 

what diff does it make on what type of break it is? you surf differently front side than you do back side no matter what type of wave it is so if asymetricals work they should work always. They just make sense. A beach break can break either left or right in the same day so why wouldn't you want one board that is built to suit both your front or backside stance. I think I surf way more on my back foot and vertical when back side then i do on my front. and i surf beach breaks.

i have a beat up rocket fish collecting dust. i wonder if i just cut off the heel side pin ( which is probably banged up anyway). and sanded it down square if i would notice the difference.

 

http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/spo/4733513377.html

someone should go for it

 

thats cool but i think that symbol looks like the human rights campaign logo. its a gay rights group

 

I completely agree with this. I know all too well that I drop into a steep wave/bottom turn completely differently on my frontside than backside, turn off the top completely differently, cutback differently and cant even pump down the line remotely the same backside as I can frontside.

Toes and arch muscles are quite a bit different than heels!
Knees bend pretty good in one direction and not very well in the other!

It makes complete sense to me that an assymetrical fin setup, tail design, rail hardness and profile (a countless other things) could theoretically address a lot of these realities of our assymetrical (at least on one axis) bodies.

 

OK, if that's all true, and i'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but again I ask, why aren't you or anybody else on here for that matter riding them? I'm not talking about just trying it, i'm talking as a daily driver. I gotta believe if they are as good as you guys are claiming them to be, that there are some folks on this forum who own and ride them exclusively, or at least as a regular part of their quiver.

Mitchell, NJSurfer42, LBCrew, PeaJay4060... where is YOUR Asym, and how often do you ride it? Show me, don't tell me, and i'm not talking about a picture of you holding one because it's a novelty item and you thought it would be a cool photo, or a link to someone you know who owns one. Again, i'm not doubting they work, i'm just trying to understand why so many people say they are the shiznityvanwinkleschmit but yet they don't own and ride them themselves.

 

i have no idea if they work or not.I've never ridden one.i've never seen anyone ride one. but i have an open mind enough that if i get m hands on one id give it a go.The idea makes perfect sense to me. i never seen a bonzer around by me but man im glad it didn't stop me from buying one when i found one. somebody had to be the first guy to bring a simmons here. i never ridden one of those either but they sure do what they purport.
i do know that if i surf an overhead beach break left I like a straighter rail line than if i surfed an overhead right.and it all has to do with the tail. i also like a fin with more rake on a left. i draw from 30 years of surfing experience. That pretty much lines up with what a asymetrical. i gotta go now becuase the simmons SBX found on my island just emailed me back.

 

Peajay if I ever run into you I owe you a spliff for this one^, not sure why but it really had me laughing...

 

im like an elephant seldom. i will not forget this.

 

Think about it. So many things are symmetric, we as humans immediately scoff at anything asymmetric as "weird" or somehow flawed. Even if you think about it, and realise that asymmetric design favours the perpendicular stance, it is hard to buck the trend of nearly every surfboard design/planshape that has been produced since the beginning of surfing.

Rome was not built in a day, revolutions take time.

 

I hear ya. And for the record, i'm really interested in trying one myself. Don't know if it would change my thought process or approach to surfing, but i'm certainly open minded enough to give it a chance. My only point is that nobody here has any real 1st hand experience and yet so many are gung ho about em. When you or others get there hands on one and really give it a chance, please report back with a full comprehensive ride report. Inquiring minds want to know...

 

I don't have one because I don't know how to shape one myself, and I suspect the local shapers I use also wouldn't be able to do it either, only because I wouldn't know what to even ask for and don't have the money to gamble on experimentation. Its seems like it would be difficult to translate theory into shape without a great deal of trial and error.

 

Haha, when I was buying my longboard, John had built a brand new, cherry noserider. 9'4" I think. The thing was soooooo sick. Beautiful art. looked amazing. It was originally stickered at about 1K. He said he would sell it to me for $350. I said, whats the catch. He said, I never noticed, but it was a botched blank and then we both leaned down and looked down the stringer and you could see that it was asymmetrical. It was off by about 3/4 to a full inch on one side it looked like. I chuckled. He said, you are goofy footed, this thing will be amazing going left. I actually thought about it for a second, but declined, but someone on Hilton Head is going to show up one day with this asym board. I will have to ask them to take it for a spin. I would have asked john to try it out, but it was brand new, still with foam dust on it.

 

Sorry brother... but you're wrong about that. I have real first hand experience at riding assyms, like I said a few posts back. I've logged about a dozen sessions or so in surf from belly high up to head high plus, riding nothing but different assyms over a five day period of consistent swell. I'm talking about them because I know what I'm talking about... unlike yourself... and I'm talking about them both as a shaper and rider.

Yea... that's me in that pic, holding that assym. Not because I think it's cool... it's far from "cool" as most would define the term. In fact, it's decidedly UNcool, and most guys wouldn't be caught dead walking down the beach with anything like that thing. You want a full ride report? I could bore you to death with the details. I could tell you exactly how the tail in that board I'm holding should be reshaped, and why. Or why, the day before that pic was taken, we added a plug and moved the fin up. I could go on... but maybe now you get my point...

And one more thing... Whether or not I own an assym make no difference whether they work or not. Dumpster Divers work, but I don't own one, and I don't have to own one to know that they do. It's absurd to try to make that correlation. I wish I owned a LOT of boards. I don't, and it's not because they don't work.

You want to try one? I'll build you one. Then we'll talk...

 

Write it down homie, I plan on lurking around that island of yours in the near future.

 

Easy guy, wasn't taking shots at you. I guess if you really believed in them you'd own one, just seems logical. That's all i'm saying.

 

this.
dsup thanks your support.

a-syms belong in the 'been there done that' category. fact is they have been vetted (this issue not
mentioned) by both surfers and sailboarders and rejected....long long ago.

a relevant issue is head-tic (tom curren) riding well a 4/10 fish in 8ft indo. sure he did it and quite well
but you will never do it cause if THERE IS NO NEED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO ONESELF there are much
better choices.

 

The whole "been there done that" argument carries no weight in my mind. Unless you've been there and done that yourself, you don't have a clue, and I'd argue you're missing out on a lot of interesting experiences (not all of them good) if that's your reason for not expanding your board horizons.

I don't need to draw attention to myself. Frankly, I'm just not that good. What I ride and how I ride it is something I do for me. And I stopped caring what other people think about what I ride a long, long time ago. It's funny that people talk out of one side of their mouths about "pics or it didn't happen," and out the other side, "stop drawing attention to yourself." I don't get it...

Speaking for myself only, riding the same board designs all the time gets stale for me. There's nothing more boring than riding the same board, hour after hour, swell after swell. I'll frequently surf two different boards in a single session. Keeping things fresh is my biggest motivation for riding a wide variety of boards. My surfing stopped progressing years ago, so it's not about trying to surf like a pro. It's all about getting stoked and having fun these days, and experimenting with different board designs... some of them a little whacky... takes me there.