DO you think they were more upset about seeing American soldier's present, rebuilding their infrastructure? Or do you think they are happy having their heads removed, women rapes and children abducted? Yeah, I think if Iraq could turn back time to 2005, they would in a heartbeat. My debate is not about Saddam, I never thought we should have killed him. He was able to keep the ISIS' etc at bay. He would slaughter people on either side for uprising against each other. Those are things the US won't do, so we never should have gone and done it, however, everything after that is what I am discussing and yes, I would say Iraq would trade Obama's agenda for Bush's in all of 2 seconds. They live there with ZERO protection. They are losing their cities quicker than pawns in a chess game. So yeah, all in all, I think if you polled Iraqi's and asked if they could trade 2014 for 2005, they would all hop in a time warp.
so you think people cant rule themselves, but you also have faith that a tiny elected portion of regular people (who get corrupted easily) can do a good job who's relying on faith? I think everyone should be accountable and have no ruler, but when gvt treats the populace like children, they act like children. taxation is theft, no matter how you spin it, to take something under threat of force is theft or worse; extortion I dont have the answers, but I sure as sh!t do know about right and wrong
Judge for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Gary_Johnson I don't agree with everything 100% and I'm not naive that it would extremely difficult to do but the man makes a lot of sense to me. He seems like a straight shooter too. Anyone from New Mexico on here and care to comment on the job he did as governor? Seemed like he did a lot of good. But I'm an outsider looking in...
It seems like you are trying to change your argument? Here's the entire post I quoted. You're saying that bank bailouts, healthcare reform and investigating Barry Bonds are worse than whatever Bush was trying to do in Iraq. I think most Iraqis would disagree, that's all.
I didn't say what I believe, but I will say that it very much involves people ruling themselves. Here's a question: Why do the modern state and capitalism both appear in the same historical time and place?
Not changing my tune, I just took your comment for something it must not have been. I am not saying that GW Bush would have not wasted money on Barry Bonds, I am saying that Libertarians have a problem with it and so do I. My point is, the left got all bent out of shape when we apply our beliefs in another country, yet when we have tyranny, socialism and too much government intervention, I don't hear a peep from them.... I am just pointing out that people have selective memory, and from a Military standpoint and future economic standpoint, both democrats and republicans, behind closed doors would have agreed that getting our boots on Iraqi soil to create an Oil empire would be a GOOD thing. That is where BS politics comes into play. It was all about who made the call. Since if came from the GOP, as soon as the liberals take office, they wash their hands of it, when in reality, they were probably thinking, Damn, why didn't we have Clinton do it, because then we could all continue to carry it out..... And no, of course Barry Bonds is not worse than Iraq. I am just saying that most Republicans are actually libertarian by nature, because they do that thing... whats it called again? Ohh yeah, WORK. Finally libertarians and republicans alike smelled blood in the water as the economy tanked and thought, wow, we actually have an opportunity to change the system, to fix it, to create something new.... But it just so happened that the wrong people were in office at the time and everyone had to sit back and watch these failed machines get stronger than ever, using our hard earned money.
for sbx:well, I think there are a variety of answers to that question, depending on your point of view, please tell us your view. I will say we dont have capitalism right now. capitalism involves people with capital investing it as they see fit, this allows the market to assign values and we have price discovery however when gvt regulates/taxes/subsidizes/touches an industry/product it stretches and distorts the price preventing price discovery and games the market into a contrived fantasy land that favors some as opposed to allowing goods to find their value.
And what we in the US is an Oligarchy. Period. We are just brainwashed to believe that its a free market.
likely before the invention of currency/money not saying we have to go back, but now: we can smart man do things economy freedom
We infight, as the federal reserve, a private entity, operates in shadow with zero accountability, playing with fake 0s on the illusion that the fiat works. Fed reserve will be our downfall, and nobody has a single finger on their pulse. As for gov intervention in the market, go to the corner store. Buy a candy bar. The only thing the government did is take money from you and the business owner. At no point did the government do any good. Sure, food, fda. The same fda that is populated by former monsanto and novartis execs and won't release successful treatment of cancer treatments...as the cure doesn't produce tax revenue like prolonged treatments. Okay, the roads you took to get there. Our borderline developing nation infrastructure. Hand it over to a private business without a blank check that the gov uses, you'll see how wonderful our gov is in comparison. The gas used in the car to get there? You mean the insider trading from opec our country BANKS on? They run our country like a sicilian crime syndicate. Broadway couldn't have written a better tragedy if they tried.
Barry bonds didnt kill and children here (he just harvested their youth-tears and injected them I think some women/children died in Iraq (like 3-500k+) I know what one is worse
I bet we agree on most things, just I'm pretty sure without money there's nobody investing capital and there's no market assigning value.
well, I think a system where we all serf for the .01% and their bosses who print money out of thin air could stand to use an improvement with honest money gold bitcoin tulips potatoe chips SOMETHING TANGIBLE not relying fraud-backed-by-force which is what the US Armed Forces are for the dollar illusion
But if we're playing fantasy time, why don't we just live without the money, just like we did for virtually all of human existence?
There's fantasy and there's the reality we have, and in that reality I don't guess what you believe in is going to be on the table any time soon. There's nothing wrong with fantasy, though.
