Old school shortie single fin question

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Agabinet, Nov 22, 2014.

  1. Agabinet

    Agabinet Well-Known Member

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    May 3, 2012
    Following up an old thread. I picked up two old boards today, a 1970 G&S waterskate, 6'6" x 21 x 3, super flat and wide, hard rails tapering down in the back with rounded square tail, and an early 70's Jacobs 6'7" x 19.5 x 3, View attachment 13443 View attachment 13444 . They will be refurbished, and I am thinking about fin choices for surfing in Rhode Island. The G&S is flat and wide and looser in the tail than the Jacobs.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. kpd73

    kpd73 Well-Known Member

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    Jan 30, 2013
    Attachments don't work , but outside of that, and more importantly, what kind of fin boxes are you working with? Some of those early 70's boards had Guidance fin system boxes, which were not only temperamental and fell out easily, hence maybe why they don't have fins, but a WILD pain in the ass to find as well as Another WILD pain in the a$$ financially if you do.
    Find out cause before you go doing a whole refurb with the intention of Surfing these boards? You might want to rout out those boxes for something easier.
    I had a SICK 7'2 Bing mini Lightweight that just SAT because of this same thing before I up and sold it at a Loss. Get them pics up and working?
     

  3. Mr.Belmar

    Mr.Belmar Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2010
    Fin choices- please talk to Roy. He knows about fins. He is like the fin guy. He makes them out of lambs wool- they are stong, warm and light. But he only posts in his threads, so you will have to find a thread he started and ask him. He is a nice guy and probably has a fin to sell you.

    If it was up to me- I say a cutaway fin would be best but it will be squirrelly
     
  4. misfit27

    misfit27 Well-Known Member

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    Dec 12, 2013
  5. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    first off, LMFAO at the guys saying **** like "there's a reason everyone switched to thrusters" as if the OP doesn't understand that & that it's even a valid reason for not experimenting & trying something new.

    that said, i'd recommend starting w/ something more upright that'll be similar to what was prob. in those boards back when they were new.
    like this:
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    or this:
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    the rusty single fin from rainbow fin co. is a good bet as well:
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  6. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    i love single fins and have always wanted a retro. if it was me i might go with the t-ames 7,0 he posted above me.
     
  7. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    IMO he doesn't know much about fins. if he did he would be surfing the opposite of a cruise ship.
    talk is cheap. true innovation less so.
     
  8. Agabinet

    Agabinet Well-Known Member

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    May 3, 2012
    Sorry about the attachments not working. They are normal fin boxes in good shape. jacobs 2.jpg jacobs 1.jpg I do plan to surf them for shirts and gargles. I just like old school stuff for the heck of it. Both boards are super floaty, but the Jacobs has a much narrower tail.
     
  9. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    thats fine.
    but it should be said: one of the reasons the new school is just that.....is cause.....
    they have beaten/robbed/killed/buried/spat-upon grave of the .....old school.
     
  10. Agabinet

    Agabinet Well-Known Member

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    May 3, 2012
    True. But it's cool to watch Machado surf an alaia board. Wish I had that kind of skill. It would make me better on new boards. I used to ride motorcycles on the racetrack. I could ride a modern sportbike, but i got a lot better by riding an old school two stroke and learning how to shift!
     
  11. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    without knowing you but assuming you're medium accomplished on a shortboard....i bet you could ride
    one of them just fine..
     
  12. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    That Jacobs will work, but it won't be easy, and it won't start to feel right until it's at least head high.

    I like the green fin in the middle, above. You're not looking at tight turns on that board, so some rake is good for drive and flow. It's also go less overall area and less tip, so that will loosen it up a bit, too.
     
  13. rcarter

    rcarter Well-Known Member

    Jul 26, 2009
    Old school single fins are fun as hell. If you find a wave that lines up like a point then they are super awesome. I would go with a 6-7 inch on those.
     
  14. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

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    Mar 21, 2010
  15. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

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    Mar 21, 2010
    Oh yeah, and this guy's right, I'll give you $50 for the board to save you the trouble
     
  16. Agabinet

    Agabinet Well-Known Member

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    May 3, 2012
    I don't have a good picture, but the board I bought doesn't have quite that little point in the tail, it's really a rounded square tail. Cool looking fin on that auctioned board! I think the G&S should work in smaller RI mush, but true about the Jacobs with that skinny tail, it will need stronger surf. We have a good point break up here when the surf starts to get up to 4-5 feet and higher.
     
  17. goofy footer

    goofy footer Well-Known Member

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    Sep 23, 2010
    WOW, not too many G & S water skates seemed to have survived, congrats, weird shape for that time period due extra volume with and hard down rails. Does yours have the shallow sunken deck if my memory isn't totally shot? G & S had a demo/loaner program with shops to promote the new design but even that failed for them in just few years. I demo'd a "Skate" a few times when it was small in OC, it caught waves really well is about all I remember of it now.
     
  18. Agabinet

    Agabinet Well-Known Member

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    May 3, 2012
    Yeah, it has the sunken deck. It is a weird board, so thick, flat bottom with hardly any rocker, hard rails. It should paddle easy and catch early and sail down a straight line, but I am stumped about how it will turn, it seems like it may be . . skatey . . .
     
  19. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

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    Mar 21, 2010
    Apparently it's a Tom Morey design? There was a great Paul Gross article about Tom Morey in The Surfers' Journal a few years ago, if I remember correctly its basic premise was that Morey thought the shortboard ruined surfing for the average surfer, and that most of his designs for the past 45 or so years have been intended to make surfing more fun again. I bet it works great on the East Coast.
     
  20. mattinvb

    mattinvb Well-Known Member

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    Sep 9, 2014