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WH2O appears to be a rational dude (in spite of the #belmar obsession ).

I think his point is that to assert "no creator" requires as much "faith", as does the belief in a "creator" (WH2O can certainly speak for himself.. I don't want to put words in his mouth).

Apart from a direct revelation, the machinations of man are endless.

 

Once again, it sounds as if you have been spoon fed erroneous biological concepts. Darwin published his Origins in 1859. A lot has changed since then. Except for thumpers.

 

Wow, finally something I agree with you on. These rich peeps give money to charity but then let everyone know about it. I even see middle class people giving to charities and then letting everyone know on facebook. Real charity you don't tell anyone about because then it becomes about you and not the people who need help.

 

Not quite. I was just interpreting the Darwin quote. FWIW, I am well schooled and read in the sciences, and I do like Lebanon baloney. That must put me in good company.

 

Well then you are reading sciences with a bias to disprove. You are interpreting a "quote" brief as it is, and it is easy to spin. You are parroting bible yahoo creationists. Get over it, you lost the Scopes trial....
As for Lebanon baloney, even creationists can enjoy that!! Who would have thunk??

 

Thanks Cdog! You nailed it!

Even the part about The Belmar too! (The best break in the continental US)
Haha!

 

scopes trial.
humans.
yikes!

 

So, can you say science doesn't have its own biases (i.e., towards naturalistic materialism vice creator/designer)? I've been willing to examine both sides of the argument. And by the way, you have no idea "how I'm reading the sciences ..", etc. I also think I might understand where you are coming from, because I once believed and "parroted" similarly.

 

Good science is designed to eliminate biases. Science is a process, not a body of knowledge. Creationism operates on faith, which is in itself a bias. They are diametrically opposed in their thought process. It is hard to explain, for me anyways, on small posts. Testable hypothesis is the key operating principle.
To repeat, if you all wish to accept faith a guiding principle in your lives, that is fine with me. I do not need to be shown "the way", I am already familiar with it.
Anyway, good discussion...thanks.

 

[video=youtube;FvjceJSzTmg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvjceJSzTmg[/video]

 

Fair enough and I am in agreement on small posts. This may be more suited for a continued discussion over a Smuttynose, coffee, tea or beverage of choice, if we ever cross paths in the granite or bay states. Be well.

 

Not really.

I do not believe in a Monotheistic explanation of existence because I do not accept the 'evidence' or 'arguments' behind it. That has nothing to do with me having faith; that has to do with me making a rational choice among various explanations of our reality.

It's not even empirical. I simply don't find most Monotheistic arguments compelling or more believable than those of science; or those of Buddhism and Shintoism, for that matter. Unfortunately most people are not even given a chance to choose between belief systems.

Concerning your point about evolutionary inconsistencies, for the sake of brevity (and my limited understanding of evolutionary biology), I will say that they mean nothing to me in this debate, as the inconsistencies of the Bible are far more glaring and rampant.

This guy does a good job of addressing most of these issues, anyone feel free to check it out:
https://danielmiessler.com/projects/atheist_debate_reference/

 

jesus is awesome wayne but fk off we here to talk about surfing and stuff thats not jesus, if he wanted to hear about jesus we would go the church...who the fk tries to convert people on a surf forum....go find some homeless and give them some food and try to convert them...better yet go to iraq and see how it goes.

 

Yes, you are totally and completely Crazy!
We just need to know if you're dangerous crazy.

 

thats what i was thinking.

 

Slash,

I do appreciate the manner in which he presents the material and the promotion of courteous discourse. I haven't had time to dig fully into all the material and references, however, be cautioned that in some areas, his arguments are shallow/weak IMHO, such as in his understanding of Systematic Theology (i.e., "Why did God create us knowing we’d suffer?"--- he only provides 2 options -- discounts redemptive plan, evil as a consequence of free will, Christ vs O.T. Law, etc. => knocking down incomplete/inaccurate strawmen).

I appreciate your input, position, and manner of presentation. Gotta run + #threadwayjacked.

Have a good weekend.

 

Atheism is pretty liberating, coming from a guy who had been committed to christianity for a while.

Religion, church, spirituality is kind of like saying that you like Budweiser, and Bud is the best beer out there period.
But you say those things not because you really know from experience, rather its only because its what the Bud commercials tell you on TV. And your family, neighbors, friends? They all drink Bud and watch those TV commercials too!
Sure you see other beer commercials, but you don't drink Miller Lite or Coors, the people in that other neighborhood drink Miller and those savages in the middle east are blowing sh!t up all in the name of Coors. Don't they know about the true enlightenment that Bud offers?

Bud is the one true beer, as prophesied by the lord Anheuser, and thus shall be the only everlasting beer, for now and all of eternity. Amen.

Atheism is the freedom of being able to try every beer, and then saying "This is the best beer I've had so far!" Because atheism allows you to keep questioning things because you cant know what the best beer possibly is, you don't have to spend your life drinking ****ty Budweiser.
Sure, maybe Bud has some positive things going, but its mostly sh!t once you've discovered some of those Belgian brews or what those nerds in Portland are brewing. Also don't forget Rogue, or Founders, or Allagash, or Russian River, or Dogfish, or Flying Fish. Dang.

But here's the thing, I don't care if you like Bud, or Miller or even Coors.
I like my view of the world and generally get along with everyone as long as we don't talk about faith of any kind.
I don't care if you like your faith, don't tell me about it. Also don't tell my kids about it.

Seriously, dont talk to my kids about church, god, jesus, allah or any of that crap.
I will not hesitate to say "FU*K YOU!" to your face. It will be embarrassing for both of us.

Raise a pint, and shut the fu*k up. cheers.

 

This is a long thread. Riley started it.