THIS^^^^. Sure is a lot of whining about this subject...much ado about nothing. Pump is the only poster here that has brought real science and research to the conversation. While it can be argued that Pump could possible be slightly jaded about the subject due to his background and education, Pump has also presented the other side of the GMO coin during this conversation. What has anyone else brought, except unfounded paranoia, radical leftist "talking points" (with ZERO research), and ad hominem insults (because they can't reasonably disprove Pump's theories)? Pretty much zilch, that's what.
Barry, the only Ethiopian food I've seen looked like it had already been eaten and then regurgitated. They do have good coffee though. We are fortunate no doubt. Pump, I feel sure people have been saying the end of the human race is coming since the beginning of time. Eventually one of them may be right.
Dude, I think you mean Brew. Anyhow I fail to see how a discussion on possible pros and cons can be negative. I would venture to say most Americans eat too much if anything (myself included). Basically a radical leftist these days just means some one who dares to ask questions of those in power. As I stated GMOs are going to be unavoidable for the most part in the near future as nature cross pollinates. Good or bad who knows. It won't matter when the machines take over anyway(Pump). lol
I'm going to also assume you mean brewengineer here, since Pumpmaster seems to almost exclusively engage in good-natured trolling. What do you think is the amazing point that brewengineer is making? That GMO food isn't acutely toxic? Who is even arguing that point? His other arguments are what? We should call GMO crops by some other name? That's an argument on the level of the old "well actually all food is organic because carbon hurr durr." He also likes to argue that GMO food shouldn't be labeled, I guess because the average person is to stupid to make decisions about such complicated subjects? Really, what do you find so compelling?
I think the real issue is what GMO really is and thus how do you label it. Looking at that chart, i think the last two columns are the 'true' gmo. The problem is nebulous terms like 'GMO' are so broad and ill-defined.
No whining. Do whatever the **** you want and I'll do what I want? That is what USA is all about, choice. I don't care what you eat so why should someone else care what I eat. It's just nice to have a choice before everything may have some GMO product in it whether it's proven bad for you or not. Then, you don't have a choice. Hopefully, local farms stick around before all of them are bought by big corporations with ties in Washington. Support local businesses including farms. Support your community. I definitely trust people in my community more than any government agency. Actually, I do believe anything the government tells me and I believe anything the FDA says is safe for consumption. That's how I live my life. I believe everything they tell me. I mean everything. Bon Appetit
Yes, too much terminology around food is ill-defined. All natural and fat free are same pretty bad ones.
and the perception of GMO is this crazy mutant corn. A lot of the stuff i see is that somehow GMO secretes roundup which is pure hysteria.
Maybe people confuse it with Bt corn, which does produce its own "pesticide." Most US corn is both Bt and glyphosate-resistant.
Claims➜ Are an extension of natural breeding and do not pose different risks from naturally bred crops ➜ Are safe to eat and can be more nutritious than naturally bred crops ➜ Are strictly regulated for safety ➜ Increase yields ➜ Reduce pesticide use ➜ Benefit farmers and make their lives easier ➜ Bring economic benefits ➜ Benefit the environment ➜ Can help solve problems caused by climate change ➜ Reduce energy use ➜ Will help feed the world. However, a large and growing body of scientific and other authoritative evidence shows that these claims are not true. On the contrary, evidence presented in this report indicates that GM crops: ➜ Are laboratory-made, using technology that is totally different from natural breeding methods, and pose different risks from non-GM crops ➜ Can be toxic, allergenic or less nutritious than their natural counterparts ➜ Are not adequately regulated to ensure safety ➜ Do not increase yield potential ➜ Do not reduce pesticide use but increase it ➜ Create serious problems for farmers, including herbicide-tolerant “superweeds”, compromised soil quality, and increased disease susceptibility in crops ➜ Have mixed economic effects and disrupt markets ➜ Harm soil quality, disrupt ecosystems, and reduce biodiversity ➜ Do not offer effective solutions to climate change ➜ Are as energy-hungry as any other chemically-farmed crops ➜ Cannot solve the problem of world hunger but distract from its real causes – poverty, lack of access to food and, increasingly, lack of access to land to grow it on. Based on the evidence presented in this report, there is no need to take risks with GM crops when effective, readily available, and sustainable solutions to the problems that GM GMO Myths and Truths 19 technology is claimed to address already exist. Conventional plant breeding, in some cases helped by safe modern technologies like gene mapping and marker assisted selection, continues to outperform GM in producing high-yield, drought-tolerant, and pest- and disease-resistant crops that can meet our present and future food needs.
^^^Just to keep it rolling This is from the NonGMoproject and is a long read. As of yet I cannot vouch for its' reliability and haven't even had the time to read it all.
Definitiley think people go overboard. I don't know what to believe. I just trust eating the way people did hundreds of years ago (at least how real organic food was prepared). GMOs and roundup seeds may not end up causing harm. I just like the odds better for real organic than crops sprayed with roundup or GMOs. Just my choice. Some for food for thought. Cancer cases have been on the rise since our parents were younger. I think it could be related to food preservatives in the crap on supermarket shelves and possibly chemicals like roundup. Now, this has never been proven and may not be true. I just find it strange that our elders would eat fresh fruits/vegatables, pick up meat/poultry from butcher and eat it the same day. Everthing was cooked and not microwaved. Alot has changed and there are a lot of variables. It's hard to know what is causing rises in illnesses or autism. If it's caused by preservatives or chemicals in herbicides/pesticides, then we have some great doctors whos will just use more chemo chemicals to kill the cancer. Maybe roundup will kill cancer tumors.
You know, there are people in this world who eat like their ancestors did hundreds of years ago. A farming project I worked on a few years back received a delegation of farmers from the former "Third World" (http://viacampesina.org/en/ if your interested). One of their greatest concerns was that they believed GMO crops were being forced on them (largely through trade agreements), and that this was undermining traditional diets and farming practices. Far from being a cure for hunger or poverty, they saw these crops as only increasing their food insecurity and immiseration.
Now you stepped into my domain, Mr. Barrels. Please note I have basically remained silent on GMO for 2 reasons, I know little about it, and, I find it a boring insignificant topic. However, as for cancer rates, the reason for their increase is remote from GMO, or anything like that (no evidence). What we do know is that our older population is much more prone to cancer. We are living longer lives; our cell DNA begins to misfire as we age. Additionally, diagnosis of all cancers has improved dramatically so we are just finding more. The incidence (diagnosed case found) is up, but the prevalence (natural occurring rate) is basically the same, adjusted for age of population. Please note, even many physicians confuse incidence and prevalence, and that mistake is often visible in clinical studies. I was stunned to see that years ago, but alas, it is true! However, if some are squirting Roundup into their nostrils, well, maybe that might be a reason for increased rates (grin)!! Now, I know you are a hard worker based on your postings--make sure to get some waves in for the weekend!! Have a good one Liam....
Go eat what makes you feel good and drink some beer too....olde english 40s to be exact If you like food and are interested in the American food chain I suggest you read any of Michael Pollan's books. The Botany of Desire is full of good info but a little dry.
