Get rid of this forum....please!

Digital Localism Rules! Now stay home kooks...

 

im guessing he committed suicide after reading the replies.

 

If you have a problem don't read it asshole.

 

Dave

Your right but I'd argue that this is EXACTLY the type of thing we need now. Most of the guys who were actually willing to physically regulate are still there and some of them do have jobs and families and are STILL willing to do that. I've seen it personally at OC inlet. It works and is time proven. I'm not saying beat the sh*t out of anybody who drops in on you, but a good talking to does wonders. if the offender still doesn't get it, there are still equally effective but less violent ways to get the point across. my fave that I use is the shadow paddle. If a guy (or girl) keeps dropping in on me even after a polite talking to, i paddle right up to them and sit directly in front of them so they can't catch a thing. and I always maintain positioning on them so they never have wave priority. if they move, I move. After about 10 minutes of that, they usually give up and leave.

 

That might work if the clown gives a sh!t about your wave priority. The last run in I had was with a guy who could care less about who had priority. I called him out on it, got threatened in return, and the guy had at least 40 pounds on me.

 

That's when it's nice to have a couple buddy's with you.

 

This topic pisses me off. I surf a super localized break right in front of my house. I am cool with all the locals since I have surfed with them every day for seven years.

But I hear them calling people out, newbies and such and even guys who can surf and just get too close to the lineup right next to the pier. I see them fight. All the 17 and 18 year olds are the one out pushing other guys in the water, talking sh**. It is the lamest sh** ever.

I mean ever. The sh** pisses me off. I surf there too, and when some lame soft boarder gets in the way of the end of my left, I almost NEVER, EVER EVER EVER, pop out and start running my mouth....

People are out there trying to have fun. If they get in your way 100 times or endanger you its one thing...

But all these older guys who think that "back in the day" we used to "regulate" and sh**. I mean, what is the patrick swayze in point break???

Unless you live at pipeline, there is no such thing anymore. Nor should there be.

I have the priviledge of meeting and spending time with some guys from San Diego who literraly WROTE THE BOOK in surfing in this town. Rob Luscombs and Mouse... These guys used to make their own balsa planks back in the 50s and paddle out all winter with no wetsuits, no leashes...

SH** THEY DIDN"T HAVE FINS!!!!!

The point breaks all along sunset cliffs are NAMED after these men...

Now those are LOCALS... Those are the only guys in ALL OF SAN DIEGO that I would listen to and respect as owning a break.

Everyone who started surfing in the AFTER the 1960s really should be talking sh**. THey are as much involved in the MAIN STREAMING of surfing, that yes, they once bought a wetsuit, bought a POLY shortboard or fish and paddled out into SOMEONE ELSES break to learn how to surf....

So, there is no such thing as being Mr. SUPERLOCAL break regulator... Those are the fu**ers who usually can't surf... It is the funniest thing!!!! Some old beer gutter fu** bag talking sh** to some kids about HIS LINE UP and how, I BEEN SURFING HERE MY WHOLE LIFE!!!! Blah Blah FU**IN BLAH!!!!!!

Lame as sh*....

You know what I do when people snake me... I surf better than them. I spray them in the face next time I make a top turn. I make sure I am going so fast on the next wave that I might end their life if we collide, that they learn very quickly to stay out of the way... AND GUESS WHAT, I NEVER HAVE TO SAY A WORD!!!!!

Fins and water getting whipped in your face will teach you a much quicker lesson than some fat loser threatening to "Take it to the beach Bra"

 

I'll forgive your ignorance Zach because you probably never surfed a crowded surf beach in OC in the early 80's. Back then, there were no drop ins PERIOD. The reason was that everybody knew what would happen if you did so everybody toed the line. You rarely had newbs go out a the best spots either. I WAS newb then and one the first things I heard was 'don't go out at these spots' and as a result i and many others found out of the way spots to learn and when we thought we were ready, we would try the better spots. if we surfed good enough, we were accepted and that was that.

It wasn't point break where it was blind localism it was all about respect. If you gave it you had no issues. if you didn't you were run out. today, lots of people give respect and there are no issues but, there is (IMO) too much tolerance of those who don't give respect and it enables those people to keep doing it.

Its funny you bring up the early years. Localism was a direct result of guys who got the sh*ts of dealing with surfers who had no respect. I think you confuse hard core -*ss beating pipeline style localism with people regulating a line up and enforcing etiquette.

 

Anyone want to start the "Rehoboth Enforcerz Analyzing Lineups, Get Away You Spongers" gang with me (abbreviated R.E.A.L.G.A.Y.S).

If we find anyone who is not walking down that line totally straight, we're gonna smash their asses.

 

When I was growing up you had better not paddle out at a spot if you weren't as good as the worst surfer there. You had to earn a spot in the line up. Whether is was shooting the pier or paddling out naked (yes, that was done on numerous occasions), you EARNED your spot. We didn't have any of this "Come on, paddle out and make this wave even more crowded" attitude. I'm all about localism, but it has to be done in the right way.

 

I mean, in the 80s in OC MD, there were barely any lineups that I remember.

Yeah, if you guys would all crowd the same peak back in the day and there is rarely swell, I understand you "running people off of your waves". But that is my point exactly. There is no place for that in the water.

Yeah, I surfed 48th st a couple of years ago with all the locs over there. I showed respect and I got waves. I had to take off when I had priority and a few guys dropped in at first but once they saw that I was taking off deep on the sets and making it, I had a spot in the lineup all day. That is how things work. I sat on the shoulder for a while and showed my respect. But no deuche bag is going to "run me out of his spot" if I am showing respect. If I keep dropping in on you or being a ****, then fine, but that will rarely happen where I live now. Surfing takes care of itself usually. It only takes one time ****ing someones elses wave up before people usually keep out of the way. And most days around here, the waves clean up all the garbage in the water. Most newbies get washed to shore with the first sets.

I am just saying. I have plenty of friends out here who agree with you. They start sh** with people all the time. I get it. A lot of people out there dont know what they are doing.

I am just saying, It has to be a pretty huge wave or a pretty strange circumstance for me to endanger myself and some beginner who is in my way. I mean, Yeah, all summer long I have to pull out of barrell sections or take a close out, or not be able to top turn because a foam board is going over the falls, but if you are someone who is out in the water all the time, you can avoid these things and protect yourself and other...

So until its DOH at the OC Inlet in september with offshore winds, and the water is DANGEROUS and crowded, there should be no tough guy sh** on 48th street in July because there are 300 people floating around next to each other waiting on the next ripple.

 

Thank you.

Now get back to cutting grass kook!

 

Zach, I think we are on the same page in that if you are respectful you really have no issue and if you are and someone still hassles you then that person is the a$$hole.

We'll have to disagree that agression has no place in the water since I believe that is has been an important part of surfing since the 60's.

As far as the 80s go if you surfed 118th, 80th or 8th in the 80s there were plenty of people. i think the biggest difference was that everybody was on shortboards so it didn't seem as crowded. same with surf beaches. On good days tho we had guys like Rusty and Tilly to maintain things.

 

Ugh...you guys are arguing about OCMD...come on...but i totally agree with some of you guys. There are a few assholes down there. It just sucks that some people think their **** dont stink. I live in Bmore and i make it down for every swell...every one...dead of winter...summer...every swell i make the drive down. I do have a cubicle job and I use all of my days off for surf trips or for day swells in OC. And it sucks that just because i dont know a few people who live there that they think that they can talk **** when I go out on 48 or at the inlet. Fact is, i worked beach patrol for over 5 years down there, i know all my sandbars, i have saved countless lives and have even pulled a dead guy out and given him CPR up north during a hurricane swell. And it pisses me off and its so frustrating that most of the guys heckling out there are good at surfing and thats it!! What else do you do? I dunno...its a very frustrating topic and a hard one to debate.

 

I concur, you're not getting ganged up on... everyone is just laughing at you.

 

Zach, I'm completely with you on this. San Diego is crowded as **** with a bunch of talented surfers so I take what you say over most people on this site. Two of my friends got jumped the other day at the North End of Virginia Beach because it was a "locals only" spot. Which, if you know anything about VB, is complete bull****. Six guys came up on my friend, punched him up, and snapped his board in half. My friend wasnt even talking or dropping in on anybody...not to mention he could have ripppeddd on those kids on any wave any day.
**** "surf gangs"

 

how do you know all of us are in cubicles talking smack. just so you know probably half of the population on here are school kids either middle school, high school or even college kids. also you came on this site talking smack about the forums. and how long have you been a member? junior member which means you have seen how the site works. finally there all alot of people that know alot about your so called "secret spot" as everyone can google map it and look at it that way or, look at the forecast pages for where they live or in anyother state.

 

Some shoes are harder then others to get the poop off. A simple rinse with a hose may not be enough.

 

im with u guys. when I lived in maryland I was pretty agro. very confrontational. maybe socal made me soft, but my experience after years and years of surfing every day is this:

anger and the ocean never mix. ihave never persally witnessed anything good come from violent localism. that's just me tho.

onother thing. us as surfers need to remember that on land, nobody cares that we surf. a few years ago, I treated some of the local pros like they were gods. then I realizedthat a lot of them were assholes, and while they are the most arrogant fools I've ver met, they don't make theseperation between surfing and life.how well u land a 360 air means nothing to most people.

my girfriend always reminds me that I am not better than anyone else cause I can out surf them. athough she appreciates how I land airs, my boss sure doesn't. my friends dont care either.

surfers only understand each other.

so most guys that think they r hot ****in the water end up being ****s about a lot of things. I have had days where I surfed sick as hell and felt like the king of the world.

but we r all the same out of the water. just remember that.

I yelled at some kid afew summers ago for getting in my way through a turn. then I saw him get out of the water and go home ith his head down. I felt like the biggest deusche in th world. I ruined some kids stoke. for what? a ****ty 3 foot lip that I couldve slashed. it was a reality check for me. I ruined someone elses day cause I thought I was better than them