I have no beef with hunting to eat and catching fish to eat. same here but killing for a trophy pisses me off. The dude put out a statement basically saying he didn't know that the lion was pulled off a reservation and he had gone through the right channels for permission to hunt. Sounds like the safari company is gonna catch some deep sh*t for it's involvement and rightly so. Not so sure I buy his whole"I didn't know" schtick. Either way he was killing it for a trophy. Ugly.
You know, I can't even watch television without seeing all this fake hypocritical outrage so I'm going to vent here. Lions kill their own young, they kill other lions, and they kill PEOPLE all the time. Villagers get taken all the time. And no B.S. about us going into "their territory". These villages in remote areas have been there way before the industrial age. A lion a vicious beast. You can talk all kinds of nonsense about "instinct" or "balance" of nature, but the facts remain the same. Nature can be cruel and a lion is the epitome of that. It's a nasty creature that puts a lot of cruel pain on a lot of other animals including people. It kills for pleasure as well. It clearly enjoys killing. That's what an instinct is. It's a pleasure rush of chemicals to the brain for a certain type of behavior. Do you NEED meat to survive? NOPE. YOU EAT IT FOR PLEASURE. Don't pretend for a second that you're living off the land surviving like people did thousands of years ago. You could be a vegetarian and be perfectly fine. You support the brutality that goes on in slaughter houses every time you eat a burger, but then talk about giving the death penalty out to a hunter for killing a lion in a paid hunt? Are you kidding me? That lion would kill him in a second if the lion thought he could do it without getting hurt. The fact that MANY people can't understand that a human life is more valuable than a lion need a mental health exam. Is killing that lion the same as killing a human(your mother ect)? That's truly sick. I don't even support the death penalty for killing people for many reasons, but you seem to want not only a death penalty, but a TORTURE than death for killing an animal for morally objectionable reasons. Of course using your logic and statement, if he ate the lion then it's fine. GAPING holes in logic and reasoning. So if he ate the lion then it's ok? Do you think the animal cares why it's being killed? Seriously? When an animal is being killed, I don't think it cares WHY. Do you think a cow watching it's brothers having their throats slit cares that the meat is being used? If he throws away all the meat into the jungle it will be eaten by scavengers. Nothing is wasted. The hypocrisy of people is absolutely absurd when it comes to this type of thing. Bear/deer/rabbit/mountain lion hunting are all legal in most/all states. Any hunter that says he's hunting JUST for food is outright lying unless he's some homeless man living in a tent in the wilderness with just the clothes on his back. I find it so absurd that people think it's perfectly ok to slaughter a harmless beautiful animal like a deer(a true innocent animal Riley), but then going to get outraged over a lion being shot. If he didn't shoot that lion, then within a few years another lion would have killed him to take over the pride and then killed all his cubs. Welcome to the brutal world of lions. The outrage with this story is laughable. Your side is winning though. People are becoming less important than animals. A true sign of moral decay. There was less outrage over isis than over killing a single lion. Now his life is being destroyed. People are protesting his business. Crazy. Should he have used a bow? No probably not. A .50 mid section would have meant a quick death. Of course lions can't be bothered with smaller prey items to crush their windpipe for a quick death. They eat them alive. It's slow and miserable and terrifying. Sometimes prey items get injured and die later on somewhere else in a slow miserable death as well.
I feel sorry for the gazelle's and giraffe's, not a lion. Society seems to feel sorry for the predatory animals who kill people and could careless about the others. Hunters who go hunting for deer ENJOY the hunt. They enjoy the chase and the kill. It's not just about the food. Let's be real here. They enjoy hunting. It's sport hunting. Just like fishing. They happen to use the meat. I would imagine a deer bleeding to death doesn't care how it's meat will be used. It's just a silly excuse used to justify hunting. At the end of the day, it's a lion that was killed. Not a human. [video=youtube;xZRw0IYdf3g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZRw0IYdf3g[/video]
Figures you'd rear your ugly a$$ deformed focking head here just to fan the flames. Dude, on some real sh!t, don't approach me if you see me at the spot, and I won't approach you. Not like I'll see you anyway as your season is almost over. Yeah, report that as whatever the fu(k you want. You should really get a funboard as it's embarassing that we ride the same craft. Cows aren't endangered, fockwad.
Lazy E look at dude's hunting record...illegal 'take' of a bear, other cats murdered, and he's a pederast. Shark Hunter: News flash, predator populations balance themselves. That's what they're doing when a male takes over a pride and eats the young. Yes, it's brutal, but the great plan is beyond our understanding. Stop taking stuff out of context you sensationalist khunt.
AND FINALLY... I don't know the exact details of the legal rules of hunting in the area. I'm not a hunter , nor have I ever hunted, and obviously don't know Africa's rules. But, Do you think this guy paid over 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS(a ****load of money even for a rich person and this guy is only a dentist) to go POACHING when he could hunt legally? That makes no sense. Maybe the guides did something illegal, but I don't know. But I can't imagine someone paying that type of money to break the law when you can do it legally. This story is not about poaching. Almost all hunter's are firmly against poaching because it would cause the number of animals to be reduced and they don't want that. Sort of like over fishing a river. Bag limits exist for a reason. This story is simply trying to crucify an individual to put forth an agenda of banning hunting of certain species.
Wow...that is a lot to digest. I guess you would not be interested in one of my venison burgers huh? The only one of your random thoughts I want to address is the hunting for food. It is very rewarding to go out to the wilderness and ethically take a deer, bring it home process it, and put it in the freezer to eat through out the year. I would much prefer venison over beef anyday (primarily for the way that the cattle industry handles the processing from calve to table...so maybe I agree with you there, partly). It is true that there is a certain aspect of hunting (for food) that many despise (PETA). You may choose to live with out animal protein but many choose not to. You can judge me (as a deer hunter) if you would like but you are wrong. I do deer hunt for the meat and I enjoy consuming it as a very lean protein. The one part that is enjoyable, is being in the wilderness/nature and appreciating all that wonderful on this earth. Luring a lion out of a preserve to shoot it for ones ego has nothing to do with a lion killing a gazelle. I can't get into your whole animal kingdom value system but there are some flaws in your POV. Enjoy your TOFU.
Sure the predator's kill each other. They kill young perfectly healthy animals as well. It's a brutal killing field. Maybe there is no plan and nature doesn't care one way or another? Maybe we are just genetic carriers of information with no purpose. Maybe there's a god. Maybe there isn't. You don't know. I'll tell you one thing. If I was a god with the power and could do what I want I wouldn't have creatures that feel pain slaughtering each other and their own young. I wouldn't have humans dying from cancer ect. ect. News flash: Parts of nature sucks.
Yes, but a cow feels pain like any other animal, No? I just called out your hypocritical bull**** and you can't handle it. So if he trophy hunts animals that aren't endangered you're ok with that? Tell me you're not crazy. You're talking about death penalty for killing a lion and calling me horrible names just because I respectfully disagree with your extremist position. Why would I approach you? I would have done that a long time ago if I wanted to.I'm not even in RI anymore. lol. I told you I left, but obviously no one believes me. Quite frankly very limited hunting of lions would not make them go extinct anyway. There's a reason he's paying 50k for a hunt. There's a ton of them in Africa, they breed easily in captivity, and are not critically endangered like a gorilla. Endangered is just a label activists put on certain animals they don't want hunted.
Hardcore, Chillax. I didn't say kill the d*ckwad and he is a d*ckwad. I also get a kick out of people who look down on fishing/hunting yet eat factory farmed meat. Growing up somewhat financially challenged and a block away from the ocean we relied on fish/shrimp/crabs ect. for a few meals a week. I don't know how it is in RI but I still know a few hunters here who only eat meat that they hunt or raise. Most hunters I have known are very conscious of the fact that an animal was killed for food, not so much for the dude ordering a burger or heating up frozen chicken for dinner. Killing something for the sole purpose of killing something is f*cked up. Just my opinion. People kill their own kind and their young as well. People have killed waaay more people than all the animals in the world have. Just sayin'. Maybe we should eat the rich? (Don't worry barry you're past the freshness date.) <grin> Don't bust a gasket.
Hey Shark Hunter or whatever the F2ck you are calling your self: I hunt. I hunt deer. I hunt turkey. I do NOT take any pleasure nor get any rush from killing animals. I eat because I feed my family that way and I simply don't trust what's in the meat sold in the super markets. I was raised that way. You make a general statement and you don't know sh!t about the topic. I buy chickens and eggs raised by local guys. We grow our own. Every animal we kill, we do a ceremony for honoring it's life and thanking it for the gift it gave us. This Arnold Palmer or Walter Palmer or whoever, killed an animal just to kill. My OPINION is that people like that especially rich folks like that, should be severely punished.
What do you call putting up deer heads and racks? It's the same as "killing a lion for ego". I'm not even sure it's for his ego. Maybe he just enjoys being out in nature going after an incredibly dangerous animal versus a deer which just runs away. He's hunting with just a bow an animal that can kill 10 men. I'm not calling for the death penalty for you just because I disagree with hunting deer. I'm just calling out the BULL**** hypocrites that think this is ok, but killing a SINGLE lion is some kind of war crime. Man too bad people didn't get this upset over the isis beheadings. If someone wants to hunt deer or eat meat that's their personal thing. I don't push my values on other people unlike that lunatic seldom and many others on the internet who are calling for the death penatly for this guy. And seldom is dead serious about it too. He's so crazy he can't tell the difference between a lion and someone's father/mother ect. He doesn't even realize how crazy he is. He just lashes out at me. Being out in nature and the thrill of the hunt and getting your trophy(which is the meat) is fulfilling to you. I love deer and would never feel any gratification harming them. But that's just my personal belief.
You don't NEED meat to survive do you? You eat it for pleasure. It's pleasure eating. Ok...back to square one. If he ATE the lion, then it's all good. So just make a law that if you kill a lion it must be consumed just like bear hunting in alaska. Meat must be salvaged. On to the next.
You do need protein to survive and as I stated, it was the way I was raised. My father and grandfathers were not Tofu eaters and neither am I or my sons. Your entitled to your opinion and your lifestyle as I am entitled to mine. I also don't get in pissing matches over a computer so you can go on arguing with the others on here. I deal with enough a$$holes in the real world
You do need protein to survive and as I stated, it was the way I was raised. My father and grandfathers were not Tofu eaters and neither am I or my sons. Your entitled to your opinion and your lifestyle as I am entitled to mine. I also don't get in pissing matches over a computer so you can go on arguing with the others on here. I deal with enough a$$holes in the real world
Chavez, Jay D, Lazy...I've said it before and I'll say it againe, and Chavez knows...no beef with living off the land and sustainably harvesting meat. HCBB...no, I'm not lashing out because I don't have the information, not only would I destroy you in the sponge-off, I'd destroy you on an IQ test, bet. But you sir, are an intolerable person to deal with. Yes, I'd like to see the dentist die. But I'm telling you, you wanna debate, fine...but you keep specifically coming at me, I'll swim you to the bottom, brah. It's a small world. I'm out, you wanna be my son tomorrow I'll school you when I have more time.
Dogs aren't endangered. Is it ok for the Asians to kill and eat them? We kills pigs which are just as smart. No one sees hypocrisy here? If you truly care THAT MUCH about animal cruelty become a vegetarian. You'll be healthier too and there are plenty of vegetarian food out there that tastes good. I'm not a vegan, but I really respect it. Again, the animal being killed doesn't care your reasons why or if you "gave thanks". It's life is over and died painfully from a gunshot wound. The animal rights people I can't stand are the people who value animals ABOVE people. They have all this compassion for animals, yet none for humans. Disgusting. They can't seem to tell the difference between people and animals. Listen I'm not for trophy hunting either, but I don't have much sympathy for a lion. They're a brutal creature. They have to be hunted for people's safety in the area anyway. They have to be taught to fear people.
