It's Been Awhile Wayne

I get it. But, unfortunately, I disagree with you. ALL Muslims want you dead. Period.
They just know how to hide it, and to deceive you, which, seems to have worked well.
No "imam" has spoke out, vociferously, against any of the terrorists. And they don't because they know their congregation wants the terrorism to continue, and if they did object, they would end up dead themselves.
Anything else from them is a fairy tale....

 

Everybody go out side this evening and look up at the sky....say a prayer or do some breathing exercises or bow down or stand up with your hands wide open or just stand there but, look up as far as the eyes can see, then look within as far as your conscience will allow you...then pause...for as long as it takes.

What you will find is science nor religion has all the answers. Science can not prove (at least not yet) where the end is and the beginning started...Infinity if you will (even if science discovered the end, what is after that?...and the beginning, well what happened before the beginning?). Religion can not prove there is a God in the singular sense (at least not yet), that is our creator (but if it did, who created it...the overlords lord?)...Faith if you will.

The human consciousness is a powerful source for good and evil. I think one should try to obtain the highest level of righteousness...whether by following the tenants of the bible's definition (if you so choose) or by virtue of a determination to attain moral perfection in general (which is not attainable....but who am I do judge).

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." - Albert Einstein

 

I can agree with you to an extent. You are correct in your assessment of fundamentalist Islam (in my best estimation according to its founder, Mohamed). And it is true that there are few if any Imams that have spoken out. However, I don't think you can say that 100% of Muslims buy into what fundamentalist Islam implies (i.e. jihad, fetwa, etc.). I guess they would be considered "backsliders" in the context of fundamentalist Islam.

But my point is that I don't think all muslims want "me" dead. Given that, I don't think it serves well to "hate them all". It is important to separate Islam as an ideology and muslims as a culture/heritage/people group.

 

coo coo coo coo

 

Cdog, isn't a muslim one who follows the religion of Islam?

Also, I always found it interesting that both Islam/Quran and Christianity/Bible are both monotheistic, where both are based off of revelations from "God" to "Man. Which one is right....most of the world follows one or the other?

 

In general, yes. However, there are various factions and extremes to which the followers abide.

Just like most citizens of this country believe in democracy and capitalism, in general, we have factions to the extent that these ideas are carried out.

 

I am going by the evidence, nothing more. Saying "I don't think" is very subjective; it is a dangerous road to take.
It would be no difference to say "I don't think Hitler wanted all Jews dead". It is to surrender.
The muslims feel the West has trampled them down (read Bernard Lewis of Princeton/Oxford); they seek revenge and want to dominate.
Anyway, it is a topic for another thread!! Maybe I should start it and lets see if I too get an infraction?? hahahaha!!

 

Barry, I am in total agreement with you regarding the troubling aspects of Islam. Using science and reason, I only need find one muslim who doesn't want to kill me to validate my point.

I will leave you with one of my favorite quotes:

I shall allow no man to belittle my soul by making me hate him.

Booker T. Washington

 

I don't know man..."Americans" would be a generalization.... and they have the freedom to believe in capitalism or Bernie Sanders. You don't follow the tenants of the Quran, you are ousted, stoned, or killed...pretty finite!...democracy implies you get to vote on it and change the document (amendments)....no changing the Quran.

The Bible seems to leave much more leaway (denominations). I don't really see that sort of deviation in the Muslim community...some more passive than others on the publication of their beliefs (especially in the US...which I believe is on purpose as they quietly grow their presence...not a conspiracy just a fact). But as you say, there probably is a small group of Muslims that don't want to actually behead you if you are a Christian.

Holy War will continue I suppose for millennia to come...who knows

 

Belief in a creator that created the singularity doesn't necessitate requiring an interactive deity (or deities), heaven, hell, angels, etc...

But I'm open minded to the possibility. The more we learn about quantum physics, the more things like this become scientifically possible. Inter-dimensional travel, the transfer of energy and information irrespective of distance, and more.

Proof of these is a whole 'nother matter though.

 

well ok dog, fyi.....

radical muslims want to cut off your head

moderate muslims just want to watch

 

this is why we cant have nice things

 

Yes, that's a serious consideration. Between this and the great whites, definitely keep your head on a swivel.

 

JayD, I agree. BTW, I was only using being American (democracy /capitalism) as an illustration of varying degrees of belief /adherence I an ideology, not a comparison to muslim.

You do point out, as do others a manifesto being carried out via various means, some by overt acts of terror, others by slow but steady infiltration in to the political /social structure. There have already been cases in this country where they have wanted to implement sharia law. And some of the disruption of traffic and commerce in France is documented. It should raise great concern, as Cuda, Yank, et. al. have stated.

To simply this, one can care for a Muslim yet dislike their belief system and the ramifications of it.

 

One thing I will never forget from my trip to Indo was visiting a small island near Bawa where our deckhand was from. He wanted to show us his village, which had been recently devastated by the Boxing Day earthquake of 2004. The tsunami didn't reach the village, but the earthquake itself caused a lot of structural damage, including to the house that he and his family lived in, which he was rebuilding with the money he was earning on the boat.

He was Christian and his village was as well. The island had another village which he described as the muslim village. We were curious about how they got along, considering the island is remote and small. He just laughed and said the only issue was when one of the pigs got loose from a Christian property and wandered to the muslim side (they abstain from pork)...he told us they just walked it back to its rightful owner and that was that.

apropos to nothing in particular...

One of the houses in the village:


One of the Muslim-village-visiting pigs:

 

Cdog i cant disagree with yor premise (regardless of spiritual and religeous beliefs)...one love may be cliche' and far from reality but if you can care for a Muslim as they hate you, you are lapping most humans on the righteous man/peaceful warrior front. I may have some catching up to do

Wayne what you need to get clear about is all the guilt in the world will not convince somebody to "believe". Your focus should be more about you, and your relationship with God, and your committment to JC. The only way is to adhere to the big "O"! What others do, believe, and speak of is not your business. You can act like an apostle without actually offending those around you by telling all how "wrong" they have it! Faith is a big step in human relationships and the unknown...you should work on building good relationships void of degradation before you engage in your current tactics. No offense but your tact is very offensive....i could cherry pick out of each of your post this point. Above, you ask "any questions?"...like you have all the answers>Come on man!!!

 

You would have to believe in "soul" to take that position. A position which negates objectivity and science. A ridiculous, simplistic, childish position, btw.

Look, taking a hard stance against Islam is NOT a desired position, it is a survival position, one that we need to take. It would certainly be nice if "we could all get along", but IN TODAYS WORLD, it is fair to say,Islam simply doesn't want to. As Lewis points out in his book "Crisis in Islam" (and volumes), they feel strongly the West has overwhelmed them, and they must fight back (via jihad, or open warfare).
So did the Japs in WW2,
So did the Nazis in WW2.
DO you want to go there again?? I do not.
Loving them is the suckers route; cowardice.