Illegals are great people

Don't have to ask ME twice...

 

You're right... exhale. On a more interesting note, how are you smoking... vaporizer, bowl, bong, or are you not smoking but eating? I focus on the first two, but a week in Colorodo changed my view of edibles.

 

Strictly bong rips

 

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kinda looks like wayne troll with one of his sheep after Sunday worship

 

now that is very "maricon"!!!!

 

Wow, and I thought I was a bit over zealous when it comes to politics...

Quit telling people to go read the websites you provide, if you can't make your argument on your own, then it must not be a good one.

I understand your frustration on the issue, you've made it very clear. However, I am not sure how you can blame poor immigrants for the problem and want to deport them all. They don't hold the power, so how can they be to blame? The Republicans and Democrats have let this go on for decades. In fact, the toughest immigration reform in the past 50 years came from Clinton in 1996, but of course, neither side of the aisle had any interest in actually upholding that piece of legislation because the Republicans loved the cheap labor and the Democrats loved enlarging their voter base.

I am not in favor of mass deportation because it punishes those who are not to blame. I cannot blame a dirt poor immigrant for wanting a better life, especially when all they have to do is cross an under-manned border. That is just human nature to want a better life. I am in favor of penalizing the industries that took advantage of the apathy in Washington. I am also in favor of removing all the congressmen and woman that turned a blind eye to the situation. But there is only one way to do that, voting.

As far as all the rapists, murders, and thieves you say are crossing the border in masses. I do want to deport them either. I would much rather throw them in prison here. I know your first reaction is, "then we have to pay for them", which I understand, but what do you think they are going to do once you deport them? Stay in Mexico? I highly doubt that. My guess is they will find a way back into the US.

I wonder if you are an Obama supporter considering he is on pace to deport more illegals than all 19 presidents that served from 1892-2000...

 

+1

 

Yes, contrary to conventional wisdom, not everything wrong with the world is caused by immigrants and the poor.

Do you want to have a discussion about it or just post memes?

 

dabs

 

Estimated illegal seagulls in the US = 11 Million (conservative amount, actual is 15-20 million)
Say each one sends $1,000 home a year (Which is SMALL)

11 Billion (Un-taxed) dollars leaving US - That's $3.4B in taxes alone (31%). I'm sure our disabled vets/homeless could REALLY use that $$

Tell me how the fvck that is not a problem?

 

I never said there wasn't a problem, did I?

I disagreed with how to fix the problem.

Do you think deporting all those people fixes the problem? Because if so, those homeless and vets are going to see that 3.4 billion because those people won't be here working, plus the cost to the taxpayer to deport them.

Other option, first proposed by Reagan in the presidential debates in 1984 against Mondale, is we fine the people that have come in illegally, and all that money goes to the local tax base (since local govt carries most of the financial burden for illegal immigration). Then, we give them a path to permanent residency, not citizenship. This way, we actually get the tax income to help those vets and homeless. Plus, we don't spend a ridiculous amount deporting these people.

Now, the success of this still hinges on the federal government actually securing the border and strict regulations regarding the hiring of illegal aliens.

Now it is your turn to actually read what I wrote and find the flaws in that logic. Or just post a cute meme, up to you.

 

Alright Kyle, your posts beg to ask the question:

What exactly do you know about immigration (illegal or otherwise), and how did you acquire your knowledge?

Have you ever worked in any function involved with immigration?

Have you ever lived on the Mexican border?

Just a rehash---I've done all 3 for almost my entire life, and this entire subject has been covered here before ad nauseum.

And after reading your last couple of posts, it is immediately apparent that you are so far off the mark (truth), I wouldn't even know exactly where to start.

But if you feel so goddam passionate about sticking up for a bunch of lawbreakers and use a bunch of numbers posted by the mainstream media to justify your weak position, then let's have at it.

But it's also apparent that you don't have the slightest interest in actually listening to an expert in the field...you'd rather just argue online and throw out BS statistics when, in fact, I *lived* it almost my entire life. In fact, it was my career. In short, the media is lying to you.

Are you really interested in hearing the truth? I doubt it.

 

Please, tell me this enlightening truth, because this little rant above is nothing but you attacking me because I don't agree with you.

What "mainstream media numbers" did I use in this thread? The number of deportations by Obama, fine I'll concede I am wrong on that just to save time. Aside from that, the only numbers used were provided by Scoob. Also, please, point out the "BS Statistics" I used? Are you arguing Reagan didn't propose the type of reform in 1984? Or Clinton didn't pass the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996?

I am just using what I think is common sense and logic to try and solve a complex problem. You can agree with me or not, but what you said above is completely baseless. I grew up in San Diego and have spent a lot of time in Mexico. Maybe I am not as qualified as you, so what? Instead of using all that experience to actually try and discuss a solution with me, you just attack me. I think you are under the impression I don't agree illegal immigration is a problem. That is where you are mistaken. It is a problem; however, where we disagree is how to solve it. I outlined how I think I should solve it. I would love to here how you would solve it.

Also, how is it "so apparent" I don't have the slightest interest in actually listening to an expert? You have the floor my friend, I am all ears...