Florida... Orlando, specifically

Something I'd like to add. Although I believe preventing someone like him from getting a gun legally would help prevent situations like this from happening, he also would have eventually found a way to kill people regardless. So while you prevent it in once instance, there is the real possibility that he carries out an attack anyways, but maybe to a smaller degree, or at least you hope. So NO, getting rid of guns is not the answer. Preventing crazies from buying them legally will slow them down, but then those people who attempt to get a gun should get put on a watch list and maybe use sting operations to catch them in the act and stop them before it happens. IDK, just throwing ideas out.

 

That was a long winded way of agreeing with you that he shouldn't be able to buy a gun legally like the rest of us.

 

So this is a pretty hot topic but at the end of the day here's my take on it. We are at war like it or not within our own country, we are infected with sleeper cells because of the inadequacy of the Obama administration. We DO NOT need stricker gun laws, we just need more common sense when ENFORCING them. So because of the inadequacy of the people enforcing them, I have no choice but to fight vigorously against any NEW RESTRICTIONS on guns. Arm yourself people. If even ONE PERSON was armed in that club it could have saved the lifes of many in that situation. There's a reason these maniacs hit clubs, stadiums, movie theaters, and restaurants instead of police stations and military bases! I dont care how crazy you are or how extreme you are, you are gonna think twice when you go into a place that has people in it that carry, that is why I am a HUGE FAN OF OPEN CARRY!! Public fear and ignorance is the main reason all states dont have open carry. Take a look at all of the states that have OPEN CARRY laws, then look at all of the incidents that have happened over the last two years... I bet you will find the places in which these incidents happened are also the ones with the STRICTEST GUN LAWS and definately NOT OPEN CARRY!!

 

You are a simpleton... in the same way that banning guns is not the answer, neither is banning or targeting all muslims. Those of you who say that there is a simple answer are simple people, and not in a good way. Tolkein's post about what you would do if faced with his Iranian and muslim friend has gone unanswered by you hate mongers. It's because your simple minded solution cannot address something other than your self created stereotypes of all muslims.

DSUPS's later post is right on... we need to watch out for each other and people need to speak up if they see something or suspect something out of order. If people won't do it on their own, then we need to prosecute people who, after the fact, say they saw it coming and did nothing. The blood is on their hands too.

 

The very first guy the terrorist scum approached had a gun and was a trained police officer. You are a complete and total idiot and should not be allowed to breed. Florida is the state where George Zimmerman "stood his ground"... Florida is not a limited gun rights state.

It's also interesting that any of you think that everyone should have a gun... have you had a conversation with normal american's lately??? I mean the Wal-Mart at midnight on Sunday types. How about the asshole drivers that endanger everyone's lives on the road... you want that guy regularly packing?

 

OK. now I'm not attacking you DP it's a conversation I'm trying to figure the logic. folks on here are saying that will be an attack on the 2nd amendment and we need to have the right to bear arms so we can defend ourselves against kooks like this who also share the same rights.

My mind is open but that seems a little nutso to me.

 

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/...oposed-open-carry-bill-is-now-officially-dead

Too bad this Bill died in February... It MAY have been the difference in this tragic event. Proven fact that OPEN CARRY is a crime deterent in just about every state that has it!!

 

Get your sh!t straight and stop using straw man tactics quag.
I never said ban all or any Musloids. I Never said there was a simple answer to this.
What I have said is we are at war and law abiding US citizens should be armed and vigilant.
Vigilant may be the wrong term, but at least able to defend oneself and others from enemy combatants like this scum.

 

I know you're not attacking me Peajay, we're cool. It's just the general tone of this thread that has people on edge. I just burned one down so I'm chillin my friend

 

I want to discuss this guys ability to easily obtain an assault rifle and your answer was bombs, drugs, and France.
Those are straw man arguments.

 

As a gun owner, and at the same time one who would prefer a world of arrows and steel, it boggles my mind how the NRA fought against the legislation regarding terrorist watch lists/ability to purchase a firearm.

 

Dude you are a retard. France, drugs, and bombs are all valid arguments to prove that gun control will not stop events like this mass murder from happening.
If a fanatic wants to kill a bunch of queers, he'll find any means possible. Heck he could of just strapped a drum of gasoline to the front of a automobile and plowed into Pulse.
What's ur solution to that? Background checks at the pump. Fukin Moron! If you don't get it than I don't know what else to say.
FYI giving examples to defend a point of view is not a Straw Man Tactic dummy.

 

proud of you.

 

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no

 

Straw man.
Again you say that he'd do it anyway so lets not make it harder for this guy to obtain an assault rifle. This guy. this guy who was investigated by the FBI with regards to terrorism.

If you knew this guy was investigated by the FBI, in regards to terrorism, would you sell him your assault rifle?

 

for getting high. i don't want to be jealous but I am a little. so i just say proud

 

It's as simple as that.

 

Lets tax bullets so they're $200 a pop.
Then use those taxes to pay for armed and armored security at public gathering places, schools, and the like.

It would cost an active shooter $10,000 to carry 50 rounds into a nightclub or school, and they'd blow through most of that just trying to take out security.

Low-level criminals (organized and not) would have to switch to less-lethal weaponry, so there'd likely be a decrease in normal gun violence as well.

If you can afford a gun, you can still afford enough rounds for personal defense, and you could make blanks exempt.

Sportsmen would be out of luck. Take up bow hunting.

 

And proud we are of all of them.