Florida... Orlando, specifically

Why not just send you back to MSW, asshat?

 

Archy,
Would you have sold an AR 15 to this man if you knew that he was investigated by the FBI in regards to terrorism?

 

If I was a traitor to this country, but no. Regardless, it wouldn't have stopped him from killing.
If he used gasoline, do we do background checks at the pump?
We don't need to ban or curb guns, we need to ban Radical Jihadists.

 

No one thinks you're a traitor to the country, starchy. Your pre-frontal lobotomy precludes any such conclusion.

 

During WWII, did we let Nazis or Nazi sympathizers into this country?
We're at war dip$hit. All is fair in love and war. If it means singling out certain people, so be it..
Is it politically correct? No.
But whats more important? Being politically correct or doing all we can to ensure that our nation is safe?

 

Saudi Arabia and Japan to name two countries, have not let in one refugee. In fact Saudi Arabia kicks out Musloids who become radicalized.
Not one act of Radical Jihad terrorism inside their borders either.
It's simple math.
Sorry Libtards 2 plus 2 equals 4 not 5.

 

Keep trolling Yanker, I ain't listening.

 

So you wouldn't sell this guy an AR 15?

 

because the shooter was gay himself... and angry and insane in the head.

 

Obviously you don't have the cognitive capabilities to understand words in sentence structure.
Doesn't Sesame Street have a forum that you can join?
Maybe this retard can teach you something.
[video=youtube;tPROADxPfjU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPROADxPfjU[/video]

 

Yeah I know, but PJ just annoyed the $hit outta me bc of his lack of conversational skills.

 

A baby just got ate at disney world.

 

Wow another personal attack archy your a hippocrite.

 

The comment came after several legitimate well versed posts in which PJ responded like a 9th Grade dropout to everyone of them.
Yeah I lost my temper. Guilty as charged.

 

2 Years old, what f'ing shame. I can't imagine seeing my baby getting eaten by a gator. People, listen up! While visiting or living in FL.... stay away from the Lakes, Lagoons, Everglades, etc., I surf amongst the sharks of CFL regularly and don't really give it much thought, but gators and crocs do not mess around, they eat anything in it's path, it's no joke. Don't let your kids or dogs play right by the edge of the water, they will sneak attack them and will be gone in seconds.

 

Archy, we are not at war with a sovereign nation though, that is a key difference. What you are calling for is a religious war and I don't know of too many instances in history where a war on religion ends well. Those wars can last decades. Perhaps our approach to this conflict is the problem. Taking down Middle Eastern leaders are propping up our own hasn't really worked out so far, most recently example is Libya, thanks Hilary. Perhaps the approach to take is to attack their economy? We are going to spend billions either way, we both can agree on that, right? So how about instead of spending billions and American lives with another ground offensive, we invest those same billions into getting off of foreign oil completely (we are still over 50% reliant on OPEC oil today). In fact, if you could develop the next evolution of clean energy you could destroy the economies of the OPEC nations that fund groups like ISIS and at the same time, send our economy soaring. Just a thought, I tried to make this point before to Sniffer but it seems no one wants to have a discussion about solutions that don't involve a grand scale war.

You call it being "politically correct" Archy, I would argue a different perspective. I would argue it's just people not wanting to give up rights out of fear. I would ask if you are in favor of fully reinstating the Patriot Act again, Archy? Some of us just understand, sometimes human life is the cost of freedom. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people, more than Orlando, San Bernandino and Boston Bombing x2, did we isolate every white guy with a dishonorable discharge? I just think by restricting the rights of someone based on their religion puts us in the same oppressive category as our enemies. Though we may have higher regard for human life, the principle is still oppression based on religion.

As far as you stating he would have killed anyways, with an AR15 or not, I would have to disagree a little there too. I can honestly say having fired my fair share of firearms, there is a ease to it unlike no other. A tool like that is designed for only one purpose, to kill (humans for the most part) as quickly and efficiently as possible. The same cannot be said for cars, planes, or gasoline. These tools all have a primary use not associated with death. So I would think they would have a 2 week waiting period on weapons like these so an accurate background check can be done. I don't see why you would oppose this idea? Why would anyone ever, aside from doing something on impulse (which is almost always bad) need an AR15 right away?

Archy, as far as your reference to Japan and Saudi. Your argument is kinda vague to prove your point. The Christian religion makes up only 2% of Japan and the country itself has never really interjected itself into Middle Eastern conflicts. Don't you think maybe has a little to do with my they wouldn't be a target for radical Islamic terrorism? They really haven't done anything at all to poke to the bear. As far as Saudi Arabia, you are talking about another oppressive nation, I've been there twice, seen it with my own eyes. Plus, the fact that ISIS doesn't hit Saudi Arabia because they probably don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. But hey, maybe you actually believe the Saudi Royal family when they say "they are doing everything they can to fight ISIS."

 

Kyle, get ready for another "that was boring." These guys don't want to think about nuance or balance. For too many Americans, its either all or nothing. All Muslims are bad, all guns are good. If we can't stop all the gun violence, then everyone should have a gun, etc., etc., etc. I understand their propensity towards these positions as it appears there are no clear answers. Thus, the easiest thing for folks to get their minds around is a simple might is right approach. Everyone should be armed and we should carpet bomb the Middle East. I am going to get slammed for this, but I believe at its core it is a racial issue... they are brown and the lives of the innocent muslim or resident of the Middle East does not matter enough. Conversely, as you correctly pointed out, we did not round up every right wing white gun nut after Oklahoma City or Charleston. We also didn't hunt down and imprison every mentally unstable young white kid after Columbine or Sandy Hook.

In the end, we have to decide as a society where to draw the line between freedom (to buy guns, live here without government intrusion, etc.) and protection (via guns, government intrusion, was, etc.). In my view, you can't kill everyone that hates us. Some people hate us for a reason, and others hate us just because.

On you point about economic warfare, I'm not sure that will work either. Usually, people carrying out heinous attacks are young men who were radicalized, in part, because they had nothing better going on in their lives. The same logic applies to inner city gangs. These are not guys who are doing well in school, have successful families, etc. Making the Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan poorer will likely increase the number of terrorists.

 

Kyle and Donkey have been drinking the Bill of Rights Kool-Aid.
By the gallon.
And yes, they even say it is a "racial issue".
And you know what that means--you BOTH lost the argument/discussion.

 

Yeah, he gay

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-wife-says-orlando-shooter-105927115.html

 

Ok Arch,
You have claimed we don't need bans and bans will not work.

When asked if you would sell this guy an AR 15 you say you wouldn't. One would think you wouldn't sell one to people in similar situations either.

That is a ban.

You also have talked about how two countries have not let a single refugee into their county and they have had "Not one act of Radical Jihad terrorism inside their borders".

That is a ban. Furthermore it is a ban you are claiming worked.
edit:
I see further that you do like bans for the US saying that we have to ban radical jihadists. essential banning immigrants from entry. making them illegal. Illegal Immigrants. Pretty sure I can prove that if an immigrant wants to come the US they would find a way.