Interesting observation; would be interested in specifics if you can recall them bgh....? At $800-900 for a new HK custom, this is kinda what I dread (over-volume).
There's no doubt that putting width forward makes a board paddle more easily all things equal. I'm sure thickness distribution and rocker flow can be adjusted to favor paddling as well. I'll just add this: They Hypto outline looks more oriented to handling waves with some juice, than the Lazyboy. Look how much more pulled the tail is, and how forward the width is: Also, to my eye, the HK looks like it has a more continuous moderate rocker which would also favor juicier waves.
You should definitely let Rusty Priesendorfer, Hayden, Matt Biolos & other shapers know that you purchase your board quiver based on how masculine you think a boart's shape is. Don't be shy, Blasters! Tell 'em! Tell 'em how you feel, how you are! That you only purchase big long boarts that resemble diicks, cause you only ride diicks - - you wouldn't be caught dead with a douche! (And nice job of hijacking what was an actual surfing-related decent tread on boart design.)
I agree with Mitch... The Lazy Boy looks to me more like a straight up groveler... flatter, thicker, and wider throughout. But the bottom is a slight double concave... not my preference for small waves, but definitely an attempt to open up the performance window and get it functional in slightly bigger or more powerful surf. The HK does, in fact, work well in waves with some size... IF you surf it off the tail. I would imagine those who feel it bogs in small waves are right... there are better choices for a small wave board, IMO.
same story. rode a p/u version on a trip to cr and liked it. Came home and bought the ff version. The ff tech is straight garbage. trashed the board in like 6 weeks.... it seemed like the ff version didnt go as good frontside as the p/u either. Not sure how that would happen. My advice.. if you like this board, check out a roberts dream catcher... same idea... same wave range, and imo feels better than the the hk... and undeniably made better.
This type of shape doesnt even look good under the feet of pros. It doesnt make sense to me. Pin tail with a wide nose and chest? Doesnt turn and isnt a speed demon. Net negative. Never see it surfed well. Looks like a dog to me. An expensive, kooky, trendy dog.
I had a dwart for awhile. Ive surfed many "mini funshapes". Stupid. Doesnt have the wave catching ability of a real funshape also doesnt have the maneuverability of a "real shoty" Which is what i consider a Hypto Krypto. Hipster Krypto is more like it.
Obviously I'm a bit biased, but the dwart and hypto are different shapes, have different contours, etc. I think the hypto gets a bad rap, it has a lot to offer the average surfer. Less of a "funshape" more of fish-hybrid...ever more to the point I think its more predictable than a fish, but a similar type of glide. I usually enjoy it when I want to be lazy. However, I would agree with you bubs..it doesn't maneuver like a shorty, but does run down the line with ease and speed to burn...we should meet up...I'd let you give mine a whirl.
Your ride reports would be interesting. Of course, user reports would differ from guys surfing the Jerz & guys surfing Centro, eh? The guys who have chipped in with feedback from when they rode the HK in Centro sure do seem pleased with it. I have no vested interest other than surfing better on a good boart. I just like talkin' boarts & what works/doesn't work in what conditions & why. Like I said earlier, my 6'6 Lazyboy is a blast in every aspect. Mitchell, gracias for the pics & your insights.
It's also how you size a HK. I tried two at different sizes. The smaller one worked even though it wasn't floating me great. The bigger one was a dog small waves and the size didnt' work on the performance side. The problem was the wide point. I had to move around on the big one to get the sweet spot and the smaller one you could keep the same stance. These boards need to be sized based on height and stance. Make sure that front foot hits the sweet spot unless you like moving around on the board. Some like that. I perfer to keep my front foot in same spot and adjust my back foot slightly for turns.
I just added a comment. I tried a few different sizes. If you size it right, it can work it most everything we get on the east coast except really small conditions. I found that with the wide point really forward, you have to be careful of oversizing especially since I'm shorter. You want your front foot on the wide point. For me after popping up I could not hit the bigger boards wide point without adjust foot position where I was basically standing on the center of the board. It's a more cruisy ride but not what I was looking for. The smaller board let me hit the wide point wiht my front foot after a pop up with no adjustments. I guess it depends how you want to surf it. You can move around on a bigger board but I like just slight adjustments if any.
The lazy boy and that shape is interesting. I've been looking at egg shapes and ones that handle the juice. I heard great things about the lost ez-up. They say it's a step-up from the lazy boy. It has a narrower profile and a huge sweet spot. They say it will handle anything we get on the east coast and is great the in the tube. The shaper also says it works good in the smaller stuff too. I liked the idea of being able to surf a board with great glide from the center and back. Have you tried an ez-up?
I have not. Just read the description of it on a few websites. Sounds interesting. I realize that he's trying to sell boards, and there's nothing wrong with that, but here's Trip Forman's board review of the EZ-Up from Trip's surf shop in North Carolina: http://www.realwatersports.com/surfing/surfboards/lost/ezup He is 6'2, btw.
So, this is interesting info ^ You mention height & the role it plays on foot positioning for you. I find that because of my height I'm set when I pop up; and then I can push Lazyboy pretty hard on my front foot, so I get good results at varying moments on the wave: for example, the board drives down the wave face without pearling & kicks fast into the angle, too, when I ask it to do so & I'm always pleasantly surprised (fun) when I put a lot of weight on the front volume & the board responds. Another example is that I can lean/push hard on the accelerator & it takes off around sections. I do know what you mean when you say it's a more cruisy ride, kinda hard to describe but I hear ya. I'm not ever gonna claim to be an ace on boart design. Good intel here in this tread.
