Global Warming: Fact or Fiction?

Discussion in 'Global Surf Talk' started by sisurfdogg, Jun 3, 2017.

  1. CJsurf

    CJsurf Well-Known Member

    Apr 28, 2014
    I have a relative who is involved in scientific research. The facility where he works lives and dies by environmental grant money. He's told me that his likelihood of getting a grant goes way up if he can find some way, no matter how obscure to tie whatever he is seeking the grant for to climate change. They then get the grants and move along with their work. In his world climate change is all about getting the next grant. He doesn't even believe in it but he files the paperwork so he can move along with his livelihood and his research.
     
  2. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Nope, I never called for a "cull" of muslims. Just get rid of them--send them back to where they are sending their money, the Middle East.
    I feel the same about all religions. They all suck.
    And, Kyle, as someone already mentioned "racism" has zero to do with muslims (it is a "religion"). But your immediate, knee-jerk reaction to use the term "racist" speaks legions about where you are getting your thought patterns--the far left.
     

  3. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    This is exactly what I have said several pages ago. The "Deep State" controls the National Science Foundation, which is the granting authority in the USA for "climate change" in the USA.
    This institution should be closed up in view of its willingness to mix "science" and politics. They all should be fired, with no pensions, no severance, etc--they broke the rules, so fvck 'em.
     
  4. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Just had that conversation with my first son, who just graduated with a BA in Biomathmatics a few weeks ago. He could start looking for a job, or start the long road to medicine. Or... an advanced degree in a related field, the option I like least.
     
  5. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    100% agree. I work in the flood preparedness, dam safety, shoreline management profession. For way too long. About 10 years ago, climate change and sea level rise (issues that were always in the mix but relatively far down because they are long term incremental issues and we can't even even afford to deal with our immediate water management infrastructure needs) began to become "hot" topics that dominate the landscape of grant requests for proposals.

    So, like you said, researchers have to make awkward connections between all of these science research needs and climate change and sea level rise, then try as hard as they can to continue to do the research and implementation that actually needs to be done. This is harmful to the entire process because most communities would rather see the scarce money go towards fixing dams, coastal drainage/stormwater systems, dunes and navigational channels, and get really skeptical (rightly so) when they see the scopes of work littered with references to "sea level rise" climate adaptation" "resiliency" and things.
     
  6. AddieManderson

    AddieManderson Well-Known Member

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    Mar 3, 2017
    Those arguing that there is no "proof" are missing the point. The idea is to act now to minimize the impact long term. We know that you don't care because it doesn't effect you directly, but regulations will ensure that my kids' kids' kids may have a healthy place to live and food to eat.

    Parks instead of lots, buy used (vehicles, boards, bikes, homes), grow/fish/hunt your own food, responsibly dispose of chemicals, fix sh$t when it breaks...

    This is as much a local problem as anything.
     
  7. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    True, but the Paris Accord, Green Climate Fund, and Carbon taxes are not the answer.
    I have to disagree on the "used" comment.
    Nothin sucks worse than a borte with no 'pop' left in it or a car/house that turns into an inefficient money pit.
     
  8. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    I could spend all day pulling verses and chapters from the Koran and Mein Kamf, and account all the actions and doctrines of both groups.
    A pragmatic comparison can be easily extrapolated.
    The easiest is anti-Semitism.
     
  9. HelpHelpLetMeOut

    HelpHelpLetMeOut Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2017
    Palestinians are descendants of Shem also, making them semites, the word 'anti-semite' is vague at best
     
  10. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    Thank you for your thoughtful direct response. I respectfully disagree with you, I'll try to explain in more detail later. Happy Monday bro!
     
  11. nopantsLance

    nopantsLance Well-Known Member

    Aug 15, 2016
    Dr Roy Spencer - 97% Consensus is Bogus

    [video=youtube;kotqWXZkZS0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kotqWXZkZS0&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
  12. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    I never argued with leaving the Paris Accord, see previous posts. I also never endorsed a Carbon Tax. I never said man is the only cause of climate change. Not sure where you got that info.

    No matter your opinion on the stock. The fact remains, if you are going to speak in such absolutes as far as its upcoming decline, you look foolish not to capitalize on that. Whether it is propped up or not, he is positive it is gonna collapse, so why not capitalize on it. If you don't, you are just pissing in the wind.

    My house is completely solar powered and I have a reservation on a Tesla model 3. I practice what I preach. I don't want the government to force you guys to do anything. I am fine with pulling out of the Paris Accord and I think Elon looks childish leaving the WH. But I still believe in the vision for his business.
     
  13. HelpHelpLetMeOut

    HelpHelpLetMeOut Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2017
    ok then, so exactly what are we arguing about then?

    and look at you baller! 80K car, woot woot!
    and I am debating to get a 3 year old Nissan leaf

    you fancy!
     
  14. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Ahem. It's a crock that you are still in business with an attitude like that ^^. No legit, real biz owner could possibly succeed with an outlook like yours.

    In fact, since that's how you describe your so-called company that you supposedly own & manage, I'm calling BS on your claim of owning a firm.

    You're likely a middle mgmt fella with limited upward mobility with crews or staff who you have no idea how to motivate, let alone manage properly. Your stated claim that you're "in the service/hospitality industry" may be so, but no way do you run a company.

    My employees are tremendous - - they care deeply about our product & our service. My employee retention rate, in one of the most competitive markets in the USA, is very high. We have a great team & my Managers are superb. Not one of my people makes less than $65k per year & my Managers are over $100k apiece. Full medical/dental & bennies for all. Most of my people are HS grads or GED folks. Their success is the best part of my day.

    Any employer worth a damn does not have your piss-ant negative passive aggro outlook on the world. If an employee of mine had your pissy attitude, they'd be gone & fast.
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2017
  15. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    My apologies on the incorrect usage of that word. Doesn't change who you exposed yourself to be with that statement.

    You guys love to paint everyone as indoctrinated. Only you and Archy are the only enlightened ones. My thoughts come from my brain. I am a registered libertarian and have been since 2003. The D's can eat the same di*k the R's can. They are all corrupt. Just because I back Tesla, a company that I personally profit if successful, doesn't make me a liberal. It makes me a capitalist.
     
  16. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    Model 3 is only 35k...with upgrades mine will be 41k. Not so baller. Any new truck would be around the same price.

    My initial argument was refuting some flawed logic used by Archy. Then it morphed into defending Tesla and Elon Musk. At this point I am just having some fun with Barry, Archy and the boys. It's a rainy Monday here, not a ton going on...
     
  17. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    Ok cool theory. Believe what you want, no skin of my back.

    How could I not succeed? Yes, there needs to be plenty of consumption, but would you not agree there needs to be a balance? If we are a 100% consumption society then who is making everything? Some other country, that's who. Our labor force is far to focused on consumption over production and that is really becoming a problem.

    It is so funny how you can deduce so much about my life from one statement. What other info about the company have I offered to suggest I should be out of business. Being able to separate your political beliefs from your business acumen is a very valuable tool.
     
  18. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Hey Kyle, aren't you a restaurant manager? Is this where you are forming your opinion on consumption vs. production? Or was it a general statement?
     
  19. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    You ignore, again & again & again, the facts. TSLA doesn't make money. It can't exist without the huge govt tax breaks & govt incentives. You brought up what a stud your buoy Musk is. Well, he's not - - he's a con man. Successful con man, so far, but that time will come to an end.

    You change the tenor & topic of your remarks, again & again & again. You have no position, you have an opinion. The facts are the facts. If you don't like the facts, you don't get to re-imagine the net result.

    What a clown you are.
     
  20. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Dood. Really. You're easy.