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I like you Bassmon but I don't agree with you at all on this. Conner is the real deal, nobody 10 years ago is beating him, it's just not true, he's the new breed of fighter and would sleep most of those guys you're talking about. Who was better? BJ Penn? Not a chance. The old days of UFC was great and so was Pride, but it's no different now than it was then, other than the fighters have evolved and are better more finished products these days.

This fight doesn't have to make sense other than the fact that the fans wanna see it. If Floyd loses, he won't be able to use age because this is his world and should win 10/10 times in a boxing ring. If Conner loses, then it will be no surprise because most people expect the boxer to win, even Cmac fans won't be shocked if Floyd wins, but if Conner pulls off the upset, Floyd won't have an excuse, sorry. Age and ring rust are real but this should be lopsided despite that.

 

Dana made the UFC great. It was sh!t fights before he took over (fun but sh!tty).
The Liddell, GSP, Couture days were great but fighters just got too good. It's hard to have dominating stars now because they are all so good and anyone can win.

It has gone down hill the last couple of years because they don't always go for the best fight or give the deserving fighter the shot. They go for the $ fight...there's way better fights than GSP vs Bisping, but they are trying to make that happen because GSP will be a draw and the timing is right. Bisping is the only fighter GSP can beat and they want him to win

 

Nah not BJ penn. There were a bunch of guys. Names are slipping my mind at the moment. But I'll post when they pop into my head.

I'll be honest, I'm pretty biased about mma now compared to the mma of old. Main reason.... I'm a judo black belt. I love grappling. I love the chess match. Now is rather watch a grappling tournament then a mma fight. But back in the day mma was what it stood for. Mixed martial arts. You'd have guys that were black belts in whatever fight guys that were black belts in whatever. Now ALLOT (not all) train mma like its its own art. A little wrestling, boxing, and bbj. Not a life time of training and practicing and mastering one or two specific arts. As a judo guy i see so many opportunities for guys to go for more technical take downs that they don't go for because all they no is wrestling. Now with all that being said, i totally get it. Its a sport and to be well rounded in mma compared to mastering one or two specific arts is smarter. I just don't find it entertaining. You used to see way more technical ground games/grappling.

My point is that I'm biased towards newer fighters because of the reasons i stated. Even though i get the shift.

 

Shinya aoki.... judo and bjj black belt. Guy was so technical. Not the best hands but he could end fights with subs standing up. Google or YouTube him. Crazy. He was my favorite fighter of all time.

Other guy who's name i can't think of and its killing me. I keep wanting to say forest griffen but its not him. It'll come to me eventually.

Fedor. I know he's a diffrent weight class, but that guy was my second favorite fighter of all time. So good.

Big nog. Again diffrent weight class but super technical.

There's a bunch from all diffrent weights. All way more technical and entertaining to me then guys now. Including Connor

 

Guys all had to evolve and become well rounded in all aspects of fighting ... those guys you mentioned may be more technical but would get their a$$es handed to them by guys like Cmac.

It was fun when styles clashed in the past but the level of actual fighting is far better

 

I agree they had to evolve. Totally get it. Just not a fan of it. To say they would get there ass handed to them... that's a stretch. Nate Diaz. He beat Connor. And he isn't all that great either. Nick was much better. Connor is far from being the one and only. Not saying Connor isn't a great fighter. Just saying i think there were guys who were better but didn't get the same hype

 

I agree... was just using Connor as an example. There for sure have been better fighters. He just has the hype and backing because of it.
I meant guys that are Bjj black belts that also wrestled and can use there hands can dominate guys that are great at one discipline (for the most part)

 

I didn't mention BJ Penn as a diss to Penn, he was arguably the best lightweight champion in history, also won the welterweight belt but didn't hold them at the same time like Connor. Frankie got BJ twice, 1st was close and could have gone either way, 2nd time he won decisively. BJ never was the same guy after that. His downfall was his work ethic. He was naturally gifted and is why he was named The Prodigy. Dude was nasty but when guys took training to the next level, he was left behind. Connor would smash BJ in his prime.

Did you just mention Aoki? Lmao That little fortune cookie has the physique of a prepubescent little girl. One punch from Conner and his head will explode. One body shot and he will wilt like a flower or fold like a lawn chair. He wouldn't get anywhere near Conner to attempt one of his gay submissions. He's a homo in tights that likes to dry hump dudes for 15 minutes.

Fedor was good in his prime, but that was a looooong time ago. He was always too afraid to come fight in the UFC, so I can't give him the HW GOAT status. He also got knocked out by an over 40 Dan Henderson at Heavyweight who is actually a small middleweight who fought at welterweight and light heavyweight. Also, he got destroyed by Bigfoot Silva, tapped by Werdum, and just got TKO'd by Matt f'ing Mitrione in the 1st round. Damn!

And Big Nog, while I like him, he wasnt all that. The dude not only got KO'd by Frank Mir, but then got TKO'd
by Cain Valezquez, and then in the rematch with Mir he got his arm snapped. Many thought Nog was the better BJJ guy but Mir f'ing ruined him.

Agreed, ever since the Fertita brothers sold the company it's been kinda crappy. Hopefully Dana can keep it together and make it great againe.

Yep, when they all started training together is when the game changed. Iron sharpens iron.

You're not a fan of evolution in martial arts? As a former black belt in TWD I know where you're coming from as a purest, but reality is there's no real future for the one dimensional martial artist. That doesn't mean there aren't legit martial artists in MMA, there are tons, in fact most have mastered at least one discipline and and are high level in other disciplines, some are expert level in 3 or more skill sets.

Take Demetrius Johnson for example. Put him up against the best striker and he wins, give him the best wrestler
and he wins, give him the best BJJ guy, and he wins. It's possible to master more than one thing is my point. A well rounded fighter is a better fighter.

Btw, Nate is better than Nick Diaz. Nick was better when Nate was still new to the UFC but he passed his bro. He's a world class Grace black belt in BJJ and has turned into one of the best boxers in MMA. Getting tapped by him is nothing to be ashamed of. His spider limbs and triathlete level cardio is tough to overcome.

 

1) if you think aoki has "gay submissions", you've never grappled. I'll give it to you that he's small. But respect where respect is due. He could snap your arm standing up or choke you out and you wouldn't even know your getting choked till your out. Wasn't saying he would or wouldn't beat Connor. Just that you can't learn what he knows in a mma gym. He's made major achievements in both judo and bjj. If you can't respect that your just a fan boy.

2) fedor is still fighting? All the fights you mentioned are way past his prime. I haven't heard of him fighting in over 10 years probably. And same with nog. He fought mir towards the end of his career. You gotta go back to there prime. So your points really don't make a point.

3) im all for evolution in martial arts. Aoki was a 10th dan. Name one even 5th dan in any art fighting in mma now. Being a black belt isn't expert level. I'm a black belt and far from an expert in judo.

And 4. Maybe i have them confused. But didn't Nick Diaz hold a title in two diffrent weight classes.... long before Connor.... although not at the same time. Could be wrong. Could've been nate

 

I'm all about submissions, don't take me wrong, but that dude is weak sauce, funny you even brought him up. I'm well versed in all aspects of martial arts, sounds you need to catch up is all lol, You are living in the 90's with your perspective. Aoki is soft as a baby's ass, nothing more to add there. Pure grapplers don't have a chance in MMA anymore, if you can't stand and bang, you're toast.

Nick Diaz was the Strikforce welterweight champ for a minute by beating an undersized KJ Noons who is really a lightweight. But never UFC champ and not in Pride either. Nate has not been champ yet but he's a better fighter than Nick is these days. Nick is essentially retired. Nate is in his prime.

 

I'm actually done with this debate. I'm not mad. Just thought i was talking to someone who actually knows a thing or two. You don't got to like aoki. But your reaction to me mentioning his name makes it incredibly clear your a UFC fan boy who wants to see knock outs and has no respect for the other aspect of mma. The ground game. I was under the impression you trained. Cleary not. TWD, when? As a kid? I never heard of a grown man taking TWD. tote mention of all recent fights makes it clear you started following this when the UFC blew up. I still can't believe you said the best submission artist in all of mma history has "gay submissions". I'd rather talk to the wall about this. It's the same thing anyway. This is laughable.

Feel free to answer my 5th dan question. And no disrespect intended. But in this debate, your a joke. Enjoy the fight. And maybe go out and train/compete one day. You'll gain a new respect for those gay grapplers.

 

So emotional, didn't realize Aoki was your hero. Dude is a can, get over it lol

Lots of guys have been successful with TWD and Karate in MMA, few have gone far with Judo as their base. Yes it was my younger years, won 1st place full contact regional matches. Gave it up to pusue other interests.

As far as following MMA, been watching it since day one broseph, haven't missed very many fights, like maybe a handful. I'm a martial arts fan, not a UFC fan boy. The fact you don't even know who has fought who recently, as in the last 5 years, tells me you are a casual fan. Nothing wrong with it, but don't act like you know. Lol

I'm just messing with you btw, you don't have to end the debate cause that makes you look emotional and silly.

 

Btw Fedor's biggest wins were against Kevin Randleman may he RIP, Cro Cop, and Nog, and Tim Sylvia. That's not a bad resume, but c'mon man, that's not the resume of the GOAT HW. I know I know, he's a judo guy, so you love him.

Another fun fact, Matt Mittrione is a black belt in Karate, former NFL football player, and a participant on The Ultimate Fighter. Only 2 years younger than Fedor.

Don't get me wrong though, I enjoy his fights, very entertaining. I enjoy most fights actually, I just love fighting, all kinds.

 

I don't know who any of these guys mentioned are

when I say grappling is gay,its just my opinion lol.yes it is the real deal and u need to tap out if u don't want to get seriously fukd up.i think football is gay.they are tough and all but its a bunch of guys hugging each other,69ing each other lol,its gay.i have no doubt every single one of them can break me into a 1000 pieces.

where I'm from lol,theres been a lot of street fights,a lot of notorious street fighters who broke many many jaws.the 2 unforsaken rules were no choking and no kicking.u choke someone out that's it fights over.its like kicking someone in the balls,u just don't do it.

I got nothing against the train guys in here.i went out with a girl who was a black belt in white tiger chempo,i don't even know wtf that is,but she was the real deal.doesnt matter about size,theres little tricks that can bring anyone down no matter how big.i seen her backhand someone lol and literally fukd up the dudes entire gumline,his teeth were all wiggling back and fourth it was pretty crazy

 

Grappling isn't gay, but what is gay is a one dimentional grapplers who call themselves a mixed martial artist. I also hate when they grapple the entire fight and never get the finish.

I like submission assassins like Demian Maia, Frank Mir (should retire), Jacare Souza. If you end up on the mat with those dudes, good chance it's night night or broken limb time.

They don't lay around playing grab ass, they f*ck people up with their fists to soften their opponent and then sink in the choke or take a limb with a quickness. When Mir took Nogs arm it was one of the most entertaining submission finishes.

 

Whoever wins gets my respect. By any means necessary. Even GSP.

 

Not a casual fan. Not a fan at all. At least not anymore. Thought i made that clear.

Iv won first place in NY state in my weight class at the black belt division and went to nationals for it. As a grown man. Also rolled and trained with Matt serra a bunch. Grew up with my sensi. He'd roll with us all the time when he had a fight coming up to defend his title. But yeah congrats on competing as a kid. Its totally the same thing.

 

I think that's wonderful Bassmon, no seriously that's cool and all, I just find it odd that someone who claims to be so dedicated to martial arts can have such a narrow minded view of MMA, and clearly you don't know sh*t about the sport, so I'm having a little fun with you. Don't be so sensitive.

Sometimes I wish I had stuck with it longer like you but I had nothing left to acheive at the time. I didn't grow up with money, parents couldn't afford all the travel and expenses to go any farther. I was frustrated by that and by 17 years old I was supporting myself financially. Working full-time ever since 15-16 years old (first real job at 14) and for a couple years after high school I was taking 12-15 credits a year in college in addition to my full-time work schedule, which didn't leave me much time to do anything else.

Unfortunately I stopped doing a lot of things I love because of this. Surfing was one of them for a little while until I got back into it and got bit by the bug for real. Saxophone is another, picked one up last Xmas and have been playing here and there trying to get it back, probably need a little instruction to get it all back. Baseball and Football also came to an end. Skateboarding was another. Thankfully, surfing has given me back that feeling I use to get doing any of those things, and then some.

I'm 36 now, don't have any reason to go back and train at this stage but I will say this. I went back to where I use to train a few years ago because my nephew's instructor was the same guy I use to destroy in sparring and won 1st place against in competition. He's a good dude, but I whooped him and now he's teaching, so yeah, I kinda regret quitting. I was pissed at my parents for not supporting me further but that's life. Once I had to pay my own way, there just was no way at the time.

There is a Gracie BJJ in Tampa I almost considered joining before I moved to Melbourne, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized what's the point at this stage of my life? I'm not going to compete or fight MMA, and with my addiction to surfing I don't see how I could fit in my life and still have time for my wife.

 

I'm just glad that pre-fight clown show is over

 

You're so fkn ghey dude.

Everything I own on bassmon.