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Are there really only 2 boxes to be in? Liberal or Not a liberal?

I myself would love to vote Republican more but their stances on marijuana, abortion and military welfare stop me a lot of the time. I would love to vote more democratic sometimes, but their terrible welfare and taxation policies stop me. So I usually vote libertarian locally and nationally it depends on each election.

There won't ever be a 3rd party permanently, just to much for people to digest, it needs to be left or right for most folks. But we do always need just enough of a legitimate 3rd party threat to scare both the right and left into being better for their constituents. You're right, the multi party system doesn't work well with our Constitution, this is why Thomas Jefferson and many others (and I agree with) advocated for a generational constitutional convention. But that is another discussion entirely..

I don't mind the dems stalling on Kavanaugh until they find out what happens in November. Like I've said before, they took the move straight out of the Republicans playbook (Garland).

 

-no, there is the middle. But, I was more curious on your perception of a 3rd party. You are a self described libertarian and even that faction has a right and a left.

-IMO there is a middle for the same reason you describe your disposition. You rarely see an independent who is truly independent. They still lean towards one party or the other.

- on Kav, you bypassed the question. But, based on your response you would not vote for him. It is not the same move. R’s controlled congress then and they do now. Even if Kav doesn’t get the go ahead, another one can be confirmed before 1/19.

 

I saw a bumper sticker on the Garden State Parkway this afternoon. It read, "Make America Queer Again." 1. America was never queer before so how could we be again? 2. Gay folk make up, what, about .5 of percent of the US population? So why does every television sitcom and every other commercial seem to have gay folk in it? Holly weird? Hey look here, I'm all for a person's right to be gay, to be gay married, to have a gay family, I mean, this is America after all but I'm tired of having stuff like this crammed down my throat. Nobody seemed to care when Obama was president. Now people act like Trump is going to throw them into some sort of gay concentrate camp. What's my point in all this? I don't like bumper stickers.

 

The only way out of the two party system (which I despise) would be a military junta taking over.
Tommy Jefferson even said way back when that the Republic will die by collapsing on itself due to factionalism.
He also said we left England because it was bogus, and if we don't get some cool rules of our own, then pronto, we will be bogus too.

 

The NFL sucks now. Too many penalties being called. The Eagles game had so many penalties it was like watching a U12 Pop Warner game. Disgraceful.

 

I put my hand over a girl's mouth when I was in high school once. We were rodgering and her screams of extasy were putting me in danger of her drunk, angry father coming upstairs and beating me senseless. He didn't know I was even over the house at the time. I shimmied up an old terra cotta drain pipe to sneak in her room. I was quite the cavalier in my youth

 

^^^word

 

Back in the 90's I was bangin' a super hot brown-skinned 20 yr old sistah from Trini, bent her over the couch in front of my balcony sliding doors, smackin' ass with volume (hers). Looked up, the guys in the bldg across the way were on their balcony with jaws agape, one gives me the thumbs up the other two start applauding. She nvr saw them, too busy screaming with pleasure.

I relocated miss horny thing into the bedroom where she proceeded to tell me, "beat the shit out of me, hit me, I'm your fuckkkking whore!" I hit her on her shapely ass, she says, "no, hit me in my face!"

Not making this up. In fact, I can think of at least 25 chicas who not only enjoyed the rough stuff, they demanded it from me. And who am I to deny a woman her earthly pleasures?

Darn it, so where does that put me when I get nominated for SCOTUS?

 

We’re gonna need an investigation!

 

Get in line lol

 

Not to worry the Dems got their man...

 

Illegal AF, butt these daze who knows what sort of laws might be passed to further disable our constitution & thus get Barack Hussein back in the POTUS saddle.

 

Well nobody is completely down the middle, that is pretty impossible when considering all the issues involved in politics these days. But I think you can lean to one party or another on certain issues and stayed somewhat in the middle.

As far as Kavanuagh, I would most likely vote him through to keep the political wheels rolling; all this crap is only helping to bring our already slow acting political process to a grinding halt.

But I do have a question for you Jay. You say it isn't the same because R's controlled congress. So you are fine with Congress essentially stripping a President of one of his primary jobs in the executive branch. So basically Congress chooses SCOTUS instead of the Executive Branch, this is not how it was designed in the Constitution. Presidents are to nominate and Congress to hold hearing to vet the candidate, Congress didn't even do that.

So, I ask you, lets say the Dems pull off a miracle and win the House and Senate in November and Ginsburg kicks the bucket in December. Trump nominate someone in January. Are you ok with the democratic Congress stalling that nomination out until 2020?

 

Hahaha that one got me Bally! That mustache ha

 

ahh, the ole'biden rule came back to bite them huh?

There was no way Garland was going to get the votes with R controlled Senate (which btw, confirms the Nominee). Especially, replacing Scalia (the most conservative judge at the time) with someone that would change that dynamic. Practically speaking, it came down to control and the votes.

If Hillary would have won, then Garland would have been nominated again (likely) and he still would not have been confirmed b/c of Senate control (possibly). But, I can't see how the R Senate in that scenario could drag their feet for 2 years...but I would not put it passed them lol.

If Dems take control of Congress, and Ruth passes, they would likely not confirm a conservative constitutionalist. You know that is exactly what they would do. Not sure if I think it is right but it comes down to the controlling vote factor in the Senate...

 

All fair points. But at some point don't we need to put aside the politics to keep our government working as it is designed, right?

This is why I would push Kavanaugh thru if I had a vote. They have nothing legitimate on him, so for the survival of our political process, you have to confirm him. We can't allow Congress to bring judicial nominations to a complete halt like they have done with legislation.

Not sure it's right? Come on Jay, can't let you off that easy....

 

I am not sure it is right b/c the Senate confirmation was put there for a reason....

 

It was put there for a reason. For the Senate to vet nominations from the Executive Branch, a check and balance that the Executive Branch is trying to appoint someone qualified and competent. You have to at least hold a hearing to vet someone, something they didn't even do once for Garland. That is just playing politics. I am not sure that is what the confirmation process was designed for.

Depending on if Kavanuagh (or someone else) gets confirmed before November and how the midterms go, this could go on for awhile. In which case we lose as a society.

 

Depends on you POV as to whether you "lose" or not.

It is a confirmation vote, the hearing is a "vetting process" so that one can formulate their opinion to cast the vote to "confirm" the judge. The R Senate did not want Garland on the bench...his (Garland's) tenure was all the vetting they needed. He would not have gotten the votes for confirmation.

It probably will go on for awhile, timing of control and vacancy is hard to calibrate...especially in the event of death.

Not sure where you are going with this. Garland replacing Scalia while R's controlled congress was not happening. Why was that bad for society?