Trump / FBI / Russians

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  1. NNYNJ

    NNYNJ Well-Known Member

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    Dec 22, 2017
    Bezos is the worst. I have not ever purchased a single item on Amazon
     
  2. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    If it was as bad as you think it is, don’t you think it would have done him in by now? C’mon man, use your brain.
     
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  3. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    I would not prefer to have someone with so much failure on his record running our country. There are plenty of successful businessmen out there without multiple bankruptcies. You guys see it as him trying and failing, and actually praise him for it. I see it as bad business acumen. One bankruptcy is a mistake, 4....that shows a pattern imo.

    He is different that Bezos, Zuck, Google because those guys had innovative ideas that grew our economy. They are the pillars of the tech sector now. You are talking about companies with trillion dollar market caps. Trump has never had anything close to that. I am also not sure where you could point to in Trump's personal business that shows great innovation.
     
  4. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    Use my brain? They are private companies and he won't give over any financials. It would have to be obtained thru leaks or another illegal way. You are trying to have your cake and eat it. If someone were to leak his tax returns out and it did do him in, you would be ok with that?

    Also, could I not argue, if the Clintons are really that bad wouldn't they have been done in by now? Come on, that is not sound logic, use your brain.
     
  5. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    His tax return from a few years ago WAS leaked, and it only proved how filthy f’ing rich he is! Dude, just let it go. And if there was anything on him, the dirty intelligence community, DOJ, etc. would have made sure it was known by now. They hate his guts but yet nothing. Those same people protected the Clinton’s so no, I don’t think it would have done them in.
     
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  6. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    Amazon = WalMart 2.0
     
  7. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012
    That’s what I thought you meant. So again , no comparison. Hard assets with income production versus paper scheme. Trump may have done some shenanigans along the way with labor and corporate shell game but he has developed an impressive commercial enterprise....really no argument. Now, what the net net is for him, is a moving target, almost impossible to pinpoint exactly due to all of the variables (i.e. depreciation or debt ratios). But, the sheer # of quality properties he owns and operates is nonetheless impressive IMO.
     
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  8. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    A few years ago? wasn't it 2005? A lot can happen in 11 years. No worries, I'm not trying to convince. Just how I feel. Transparency was a problem with Obama, that continues with Trump.
     
  9. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    There is an comparison to be made as to the unwillingness to be transparent imo.
     
  10. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Don’t recall the year, but that’s still pretty recent. You actually think he suddenly forgot how to create wealth? Lol
     
  11. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012
    You insinuating he is committing A crime? I guess the IRS audit would probably bring this to the surface no?
     
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  12. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Yeah it was 2005. Just checked. My questions stands, you actually think he somehow forgot how to create wealth?
     
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  13. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    11 years ago was pretty recent? So if Obama would have shown you his tax returns from when he was a law professor in 2008, you would have been fine with that? Come on, a tax return from a decade ago hardly provides conclusions as to his current financial status.
     
  14. archibold

    archibold Well-Known Member

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    Oct 31, 2018
  15. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    No I am insinuating that when someone claims such great business acumen but yet goes thru such measures to hide his business dealings, there is a reason to be suspicious. With Madoff it was fraud. With Trump it could be who holds his debts. The lack of transparency is the problem, especially when he is the first POTUS in the modern era to do so.
     
  16. archibold

    archibold Well-Known Member

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    Oct 31, 2018
    If you actually had an unfiltered thought you would realize that if there was something to hide in his tax returns Mueller would have already subpoenaed them.
     
  17. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012
    I think he is probably writing off debt cost/interest and has to disclose on corporate tax return (I think)...What does it matter who holds his debt? Let me guess, could be a Russian and that would prove collusion? I just don’t follow logic.
     
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  18. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    How do you know he hasn't already and that is why this investigation is still going?
     
  19. Kyle

    Kyle Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2011
    flip the logic then. Why would he not release his tax returns? Bloomberg is worth more than him and has just as many assets and released his when running for mayor. What logic does you use to explain him not doing the same?
     
  20. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012
    Conjecture. If that is the case then maybe we will find out....
     
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