Trump / FBI / Russians

I'm addressing the tagline of the article: "Sanders and AOC express their support of the Venezuelan dictator", and the evidence the author used to back up that statement. The author's logic being: if someone states that they don't support intervention, then they must support the dictator.

To your second paragraph, that's exactly what I'm getting at. There is a multitude of reason why those 23 senators did not support the Iraq war. Assuming that Sanders and AOC support Nicolas Maduro based on a non-intervention position, is equivalent to saying a senator must support Hussein based on voting against the Iraq war.

The title and central point of the opinion piece you posted is "socialists of the world unite", but the author relies on evidence which does not explicitly show that Sanders or AOC support Maduro or his policies. The evidence the author puts forward shows that Sanders and AOC make an argument for non-intervention in Venezuela, but does not wanting to intervene automatically mean you support the dictator? Again, that's where the Iraq analogy comes in.

What i'm trying to say is that the author is going around robin's proverbial barn to link Sanders and AOC to a despotic, murderous, south american dictator, and fails.

Just my opinion, not trying to change yours.

 

Good points.

Seems to me that we have to bear one thing in mind when it comes to the pols & the wealthy & the media: it's all about control. Control of the sheeple yields power, more money & more power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, as the old saw goes.

The wealthy Dems will be all about socialism if it ensures more control. Therein is the danger of socialism, and therein lies the appeal of socialism to wealthy Dems.

Look at any socialist nation: the rich get richer, vastly richer, whilst the sheeple get utterly hammered, starting with the middle class, in the name of 'helping the sheeple.' It's bitterly ironic. It has never worked. But, this time it will be different with these morons like Ocasio Cortez....yah....look out below!

 

Funny beast?? No they are not. They are assholes, nothing less. Ignorant, low-IQ maggots, that have NOT had an independent thought since they were born. Their parents were ignorant and stupid, their grand parents were ignorant and stupid, and so are their kids.
That means before 20 years are past, you will have the hammer and sickle replace the stars in the blue square of Old Glory. The stripes will remain because they are colored red. Appropriate.

 

Dems? The Republicans started this investigation, and appointed Mueller to run it. Nothing Dem about it. The Hillary investigations were also started and run by the Reps.

It's one thing to call an investigation a politically motivated sham, right up until people start pleading guilty and begin getting convicted of federal crimes in a court of law, then it's no longer shammy.

 

But Ocasio Cortez & Sanders do link themselves to Maduro's murderous regime - - by saying 'hands off Venezuela, USA.' Maduro has explicitly rejected what Ocasio Cortez calls for, i.e., negotiation. Hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans are starving, dying, murdered, yet Ocasio Cortez & Sanders are saying 'hands off.'

Bet your bottom dollar that if this were anyone but a socialist regime in Venezuela & a Republican administration in the USA, these American socialists would be screaming for military intervention & emergency food airlifts & immediate removal of Maduro.

There is most certainly a link between Ocasio Cortez, Sanders & Maduro: these two American pols have made unequivocal statements supporting Maduro. I don't know what else to cite: these are facts, not opinion nor conjecture.

Again, facts as noted in the article:
Sorry, Mr. Khanna and AOC, the U.S. didn’t “anoint” anyone. The elected Venezuelan National Assembly named Juan Guaidó its interim president, as it is allowed to do under the Venezuelan constitution. The U.S. merely recognized him as the legitimate president of the country.

The left / socialists bend the facts to serve their interests. The interests being propagation of socialism at the horrifying expense of the Venezuelan sheeple.

 

Nope.
Venezuela is socialism gone awry.
Iraq was a murderous thug killing his citizens.

Two different creatures, each requiring a course of action to replace leaders. Iraq was done well, but unfinished. Venezuela needs to end Maduro before it spreads anymore. Only Bolivia will object in South America; screw them--they are next.

 

Trump made the error to appoint Mueller a known Democrat and piece of slime. Mueller had his nose so far up Obama and Clintons rear ends that he should have been fired from FBI a long time ago. He was, is, and will forever be dung.

 

Actually, it was former Deputy Attorney Rod Rosenstein who appointed Mueller, not Trump.

 

My Dad used to say, back in the Nixon days, that the end justified the means. That he didn't do anything different that many other POTUS did, he just got caught.

Many of ya'll on this forum believe Trump's policies justify his collusion with a hostile foreign power (his campaign has been caught red handed, and Mueller may have a smoking gun or two that leads directly to Donald J. Trump... stay tuned LOL), and his encouragement given to white supremacists and women abusers here at home.

I disagree, respectfully. The U.S. of A. needs a better leader, asap. I don't care if it's Pence. At this point I don't care if it's Bernie F'ing Sanders. At least he has integrity, even if he is a socialist dumbass. Congress will check him. Get this clown out of office.

Cheers

 

Trump nominated Ron Rosenstein if we want to split hairs.

 

Another government official up to his knees up Hillarys ass, I presume.

 

It's not splitting hairs. Rosenstein isn't Trump, just because he nominated Rosenstein.

 

Sanders...integrity?? Really??
He wants rich people (other than himself) to be taken to the IRS cleaners to provide for those refusing to work. Sanders has 6 LARGE homes in VT. "What do we need 6 large homes for?"
No integrity. Zero. BTW, his honeymoon was taken in Moscow, during the cold war--he supported them, not you. Traitor he is.

 

That's what sucks about every damn election, the lesser of two evils is still evil. That's why I pretty much have contempt for them all, on both sides of the aisle. I've voted for Pat Paulson, Joe Walsh, Mickey Mouse, during various presidential elections. Maybe this time I'll write in Barry Cuda

 

Oh really? Please do explain in detail.

 

Oh man, I would love to see his tax returns!

 

Not saying you're wrong, but I can't find any quotes, letters, tweets, anything that explicitly links Sanders, AOC and/or Maduro. Only opinion and speculation. Looking for primary sources.

 

They aren't pleading guilty to anything related to the investigation. That is how it works. Keep charging people with crimes until someone agrees to provide testimony. All crap. You are correct that both parties do it. Its the official justice department railroad! Remember back when Obama was prez- conservative groups were getting audited at unprecedented rates. Happens all the time.

 

Dog - that's was my original point both parties suck!!!

 

I'm not wrong, you're correct on that point

Ocasio Cortez retweeted Khanna's yah yah, to wit: “With respect Senator Durbin, the US should not anoint the leader of the opposition in Venezuela during an internal, polarized conflict."

Again, this is explicit support for Maduro. Again, no one "anointed" Guadio. And, again, Maduro is ignoring his own National Assembly in order to retain power as a socialist dictator. All of this = facts, not my opinion.

Sanders also explicitly supports Maduro with his statement, to wit: "...we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change."
Well, the Venezuelan National Assembly voted Maduro out (see above), yet Sanders is saying that the USA shouldn't support regime change. Eh??
When it involves a socialist, Sanders can't pull his head out of his arse & do the right thing & condemn Maduro for slaughtering tens of thousands of Venzuelans & destroying that nation.

So, don't know how much more you need before you see the plain & simple of these politicians, Sanders & Ocasio Cortez who support their dictatorial socialist monstrosity merely because he's a socialist. Not much to add to the obvious here.