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Ok fair enough, so would it be fair to say you guys are willing to elect someone to hate in order to get the agenda you support pushed forward?

 

Yes, if I support their agenda and believe they will follow through on their promises for the most part then I could care less about their personality.

 

It's not conjecture, not at all.

If one hears a dog being tormented in a house & one later sees said dog with injuries consistent with being whipped with a belt, yet the owner of said dog states that he is a firm believer in preventing cruelty to animals, well, until one sees the dog getting whipped it just doesn't line up for some folks.
Point being, you seem to need everything in some sort of special-you-lingo even when it's staring right in your, and everyone else's, face with facts. So be it.

 

It isn't just personality that turns a lot of from Trump. The lying is a big reason for a lot of people.

By allowing the dude to blatantly lie so often you really can't hold any other candidate to any standard of honesty ever again. Not worth the trade for me. I would have voted Rand Paul if I could have.

 

We (Trump voters) have gotten most of what he promised on the campaign and it's only been 2 years. Wait till his entire Presidency is finished and I bet we'll see someone who did everything he said he was going to do and then some. I don't feel lied to. Which lies bother you the most? Give me some real examples of lies as it relates to his campaign promises / policies. I'll let you know my feelings on each of them.

 

OK so you call the police on that guy for animal cruelty, but the deputy says that without a warrant he won't go kick the guys door in and rescue the dog.

So, because the deputy stated that he won't intervene, this means the deputy supports the dog owner and animal cruelty, right?

 

Whatever you say if it works for you, man. It's pointless at this point.

 

BTW, folkz, Venezuela is a problem that Trump inherited from Obama - - Obama having done absolutely nothing but avoid the humanitarian horror in his own hemisphere.

 

Spot-on, brilliant analysis in the WSJ today by Mead. He's really kind of the new Krauthammer in terms of calm, logical, reasoned political writing.

Excerpts:

Mead: “During the Cold War, Moscow supported the Latin American Left because it naively thought communism was the wave of the future. These days, a more cynical Kremlin supports the Latin Left because it knows it will fail.”

"Why has Russia propped up Mr. Maduro? Because of the region’s importance in global energy markets. From Russia’s point of view, Mr. Maduro and his failed socialist regime are the gift that keeps on giving. Venezuela has larger oil reserves than Saudi Arabia, but in December it produced only 1.15 million barrels a day—a third of what it pumped at its peak—and production continues to fall. That decline represents a massive windfall for Russia. It slashes the global oil supply and supports the higher energy prices on which Vladimir Putin’s power depends.

Moscow also hopes the worsening social and political situation in Venezuela will produce a regional crisis that preoccupies the U.S., reducing its appetite for engagements farther afield. Meanwhile, Kremlin oligarchs and Russian arms dealers make fortunes from shady deals with a desperate and corrupt regime.

But energy is what makes Latin America most important to Russia today. Steadily rising production in the U.S. and Canada has undermined the pricing power Russia and the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries once took for granted. Argentina’s vast shale reserves are beginning to come online. Mexico, a net importer of natural gas, may become a significant exporter. Brazil, which passed Venezuela as South America’s largest oil producer in 2016, is only beginning to exploit its large offshore deposits. Add a revitalized Venezuelan oil industry to this mix, and the future for Russia and OPEC looks bleak.

Authoritarian populists surrounded by corrupt cronies in a failing economic system: that’s Moscow’s vision for Latin America’s future. And the more foreign and domestic policy headaches this creates for the U.S., the better"

 

This is where you and I disagree. Trump lies on a constant basis. If you want the restrict it to policy and promises, the most obvious answer would be "Mexico will pay for the wall, not the American taxpayer." But, I do take into account all of the ridiculous fabrications Trump puts out on a daily basis, not just the ones surrounding his promises.

Just seems some hold their opposition to a higher standard than their ally.

 

Not me - I want a female. One with big boobies and hot. Who cares if she has brains? Preferably a red head that likes to wang dang doodle all night long. And not AOC--she has a horse face as well as a horses ass brain and rear. Culo grande

 

Yeah I never really took the "Mexico will pay for the wall" thing very seriously. What I think happened was... he said it off the cuff once being the entertaining personality that he is, he probably figured it sounded good and would fire up his base. It caught on and turns out a lot of people wanted to see that happen, because why not right? But reality is, there is no way the Mexican president would ever agree to that due to the political fall out.

Not wanting to let down the hard core supporters he says Mexico is paying for it in the new trade agreement, because we'll be gaining so much more money that it will pay for it in the end. In a way he's right, but it's really just a misdirection play, doesn't bother me because I never thought Mexico would outright pay for the wall.

What's important to me at the end of the day is that they build barriers everywhere they can along the border, beef up technology, and keep these illegals out. If that means it comes out of tax payers dollars, i'm fine with that. 5.7 Billion is a drop in the bucket compared to how much we shell out for other far lesser important things. The end result is what matters to me, not who pays for it. Our safety and security as a Nation is priceless and shouldn't be jeopardized over a petty fight over who is paying for it. This is OUR Country, it is OUR responsibility to keep it that way.

 

My crux isn't with the Mexican Wall and its validity. I was just citing an obvious lie that he kept running with. But it sounds like you are fine with supporting a liar and someone you hate/dislike as long as it gets the agenda pushed forward. That's all well and good, just not how I operate. Different strokes.

 

As long as the wall, barrier, steel slats, whatever gets built, then he didn't lie to me as far as I'm concerned. I get what I want in the end. Whether he gets Mexico to outright pay for it was never important or expected by me. I can let a little thing like that slide because I can see the big picture. Not to mention how much money it will save our country in the end by cutting illegal immigration down to a minimum. The wall will more than pay for itself over time and it won't matter where the funding came from at that point.

 

Reagan: Iran/Contra
Bush 1: "Read my lips, no new taxes"
Clinton: 'I didn't inhale." 'I did not have sex with her."
Bush 2: "Mission Accomplished."
Obama: "You can keep your health care." 'Costs will not go up."
Trump: 'Mexico will pay for the wall."
They. All. Lie.

 

So you're saying that Trump has lied no more than the men before him? Ok if you say so.

 

They. All. Lie.

 

They. All. Lie.

 

So we are going to keep electing and supporting liars and expect things to change? Every POUTS you listed lowered the bar and Trump is no different. Hence why I don't support him.

 

TheyAllLie.