Trump / FBI / Russians

Well I stated previously that I only care about policy, so that's what I'm focused on. Whether he lied about banging some slut isn't important to me. So I'm trying to find out how he is a pathological liar as it related to what matters, policy.

 

Be more specific then? What exactly do you consider lies that matter? You seem to be moving the goal posts.

Do you even remember all the ridiculous promises he made that would be done in his first 100 days? Would you consider all the stuff that didn't get done a lie?

 

I never said he was a pathological liar when it comes to policy (just a regular liar perhaps). Again, lies regarding policy are not the only lies that matter to me. Different strokes man.

 

It’s all good man, whenever I press anybody about the lies, I don’t seem to get much of a response. Words like pathological are used to describe the level of lying, but few meaningful examples are given to back it up. Seems a bit overblown to me. No big deal though, doesn’t bother me.

 

Let’s quit diluting this. He, along with Congress got a massive tax overhaul done and two conservative justices approved. If he gets boarder done...even if it is a picket fence, his base is pretty content.

Your liar play is going nowhere...just saying, policy does matter. Think about it...

 

"pathological" is what "they" are.
and Baby killers (abortion lovers)>>and according to The Democrats of VA, as of today, you can wait until after the baby is born to Kill IT. Excuse me, I mean Murder/Redrum.

and carbon tax terrorists like (KAMALA HARRIS, I SLEPT MY WAY TO THE TOP[willie brown]) that want to CONjure some BS as a means to steal even more of your money, which will go to feed house cloth and give free medical care to the entirety of Latin America (thanks obama).

"they" hate this country. "they" hate the republic. "they hate freedom. "they" actually hate themselves. and misery loves company, that is why they hate. "they" don't want people to be happy. this is the truth.

They are sick in their heads.

Grown men in women's bathrooms.

Chinese state security embedded in Feinstein office, <<nothing but crickets.

Go ahead and lie and claim I used Profane Language to Ban me again. <<next time I see you on the beach, MICAH, we need to talk about who your mods are, inquiring minds want to know.

 

ISIS is defeated

Roger Stone
The alleged lies: According to Mueller’s indictment of Stone, the longtime Trump political adviser lied to the House Intelligence Committee about:

1. “his possession of documents pertinent to [the committee’s] investigation”
2. “the source for his early August 2016 statements about [WikiLeaks]”
3. “requests he made for information from the head of [WikiLeaks]”
4. “his communications with his identified intermediary [to WikiLeaks], and …”
5. “his communications with the Trump Campaign about [WikiLeaks].”

Perhaps most notably, Mueller’s team details two exchanges in which Stone denied communicating with his WikiLeaks intermediary via text or email. He also denied discussing what the intermediary told him with the Trump campaign. Mueller’s team has lots of evidence firmly disputing both contentions.

The possible explanations: The volume of Stone’s alleged lies is what’s striking here. It’s not one isolated alleged lie; it’s a pattern that strongly suggests a coverup of his talks with WikiLeaks, which disseminated the Democratic emails that Russia hacked. Stone hasn’t been convicted, but the paper trail is lengthy. It’s difficult to see how he would have forgotten about all of these communications or how to square his denials with the evidence.

But why? Stone himself has said that there would be nothing illegal about working with WikiLeaks. Yet he allegedly went to great lengths to obscure it. Perhaps he really did think it could be legally problematic, and he simply hoped that his communications would never come to light. (This is at best a gray area when it comes to collusion with Russia.)

Or perhaps, as Nunberg argued, he simply worried how it would look for Trump. But possibly going to jail for lying for Trump is a hefty potential price to pay for your client’s pride.

Michael Flynn
The lies: The former White House national security adviser pleaded guilty to the following false statements about his contacts with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak before Trump’s inauguration:

1. Denying asking Kislyak not to escalate the situation in response to the Obama administration’s sanctions
2. Denying that he remembered a follow-up conversation in which Kislyak said Russia had indeed moderated its response
3. Denying asking countries on the United Nations Security Council to take specific action on a resolution involving Israeli settlements

The possible explanations: Flynn could have been concerned that these conversations would run afoul of an obscure law called the Logan Act, which prohibits unauthorized people from conducting diplomacy.

But that law has never really been enforced. Perhaps Flynn just wanted to guard against being seen as undermining the sitting president. Or perhaps he was worried about the growing narrative that Trump was too friendly with Russia, which these conversations would certainly feed. (It was at this time that Russia’s role in the 2016 election was coming to light.)

But that narrative is also at the heart of potential collusion, and it’s not inconceivable Flynn was trying to obscure behind-the-scenes dealings with Russia.

Michael Cohen
The lies: In November, the president’s former lawyer and fixer pleaded guilty to lying about his efforts to secure a deal for a Trump Tower in Moscow during the 2016 election. According to his plea deal, Cohen’s lies included saying:

1. “The Moscow Project ended in January 2016 and was not discussed extensively with others in the [Trump Organization]”
2. That he never agreed to travel to Russia or suggested Trump might do so
3. That he didn’t recall the Russian government responding to his inquiries about getting help for the project

In fact, Cohen kept pursuing the project as late as June 2016. He planned to travel to Russia before canceling those plans, and he had exchanges with the Kremlin.

The possible explanations: Cohen must have known that pursuing this project even as people were voting for Trump in the 2016 election would, at the very least, look bad. And he had to know that seeking the Kremlin’s assistance would look even worse.

As with the WikiLeaks stuff, it’s not clear that any of it would rise to the level of collusion or anything criminal, but Cohen seemed to be worried enough to lie about it. As with the WikiLeaks stuff, if there’s not something obviously illegal going out, why the multiple lies about it that would be illegal?

Paul Manafort
The alleged lies: After a conviction related to his personal consulting business, the former Trump campaign chairman reached a deal to cooperate with the government ahead of his second trial — and then was accused of lying during his cooperation. According to Mueller’s team, Manafort lied about:

1. His interactions with an associate in Ukraine with ties to Russian intelligence, Konstantin Kilimnik
2. Kilimnik’s role in influencing the testimony of witnesses in his trial
3. A $125,000 payment made to a firm that was in debt to Manafort
4. An unknown Justice Department investigation
5. His contacts with the Trump administration

That filing was heavily redacted, so we didn’t know too many specifics at the time. But we later learned from a shoddily redacted filing by Manafort’s lawyers that Mueller believed Manafort lied about sharing polling data with Kilimnik and discussing a pro-Russian Ukraine “peace deal” with Kilimnik.

The possible explanations: The explanations here are even more confounding. Manafort had already been convicted on eight counts in his first trial, so he had to know the stakes of lying after agreeing to cooperate with Mueller. The question now is whether the Kilimnik interactions play into a larger line of inquiry in the conspiracy investigation. (The Republican platform was adjusted in a mostly pro-Russian direction on the Ukraine issue at the 2016 convention, when Manafort was Trump’s campaign chairman, for instance. And sharing polling data with a Russian intelligence agent would also seem problematic, at best.)

We also learned when the cooperation agreement was dissolved that Manafort’s legal team kept briefing Trump’s. Perhaps he never truly intended to cooperate and was instead angling for a pardon? (But a pardon wouldn’t save Manafort from state-level crimes.) Again, it seems like a pointless coverup if there was nothing untoward happening.

Rick Gates
The lies: In his plea deal, the former deputy Trump campaign manager admitted to making false statements about his and Manafort’s relationship with overseas clients. That may not pertain to the Mueller investigation’s 2016 election-Russia focus. But one false statement seems potentially relevant moving forward:

1. Denying that Manafort and a lobbyist for a company discussed Ukraine during a 2013 meeting

In fact, Gates had prepared a memo describing what had been discussed about Ukraine at the meeting for leaders in Ukraine.

The possible explanations: This one is a tougher nut to crack. We don’t know much about the circumstances here, and they long predate the 2016 campaign. That suggests that they probably don’t have anything to do with potential collusion.

Unless, that is, there is something bigger at play when it comes to the Manafort-Kilimnik relationship and Ukraine that they all sought to deliberately obscure. (More on that to come.)

George Papadopoulos
The lies: In his plea deal, the Trump campaign foreign policy adviser acknowledged making false statements during a January 2017 interview with the FBI, including:

1. Claiming his contacts with a foreign professor who said Russia had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, Joseph Mifsud, took place before he joined the Trump campaign
2. Claiming he didn’t think the professor had close connections to the Russian government
3. Claiming he met a female Russian national before the campaign and saying she didn’t have substantial connections to the Kremlin

The possible explanations: Papadopoulos, who has completed a brief jail sentence for these lies, now claims he was set up. But that doesn’t explain why he would lie in the first place. Like the others, he seemed to be, at best, wary of admitting to any potential interactions with Russians or those close to the Russian government during the 2016 campaign.


That's why it stinks

 

My Dad used to say, one incident, that's that. Three or four, that's a patthan (he's from Beantown - translation: Pattern.

Connect the dots and you get a clown liar emperor Nero who will drag us all down into the ashes of history if we let him

Next communicay - when the shit hits the wall and sticks, then I can say TOLD YOU SO

Until then, peace, waves, and freedumb

 

My liar play? It's just my personal opinion Jay, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously this is something we disagree on, guess we will find out in 2020 how much the lying vs policy matters to the voters.

 

There's no right or wrong
No good or evil
No truth or false...

In the garden of Allah

they censored the Don Henley song from the internet, but ya'll know what I'm alluding to

This is the Devil's stance

 

Also, you were the one that said the majority of you guys hate him, sure doesn't sound like it after today.

So which way is it? You guys like him and his policies? or you guys hate him and like his policies? Seems like some of you just don't want to own the fact you elected a liar or someone you hate to get your agenda going forward.

 

Here's the real deal, and why we should get rid of our clown prince president


IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

​

hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

 

So ya'll are good with a lying traitor that implements policies you like?

 

Who is you guys?