Trump / FBI / Russians

So let them spend their money elsewhere, last I checked, major defense corporations have been doing plenty well sucking of the US taxpayer tit. You telling me they are going to go belly up if they can't sell to the Saudi's? So the Saudi's can get away with murder because we don't want to hurt the bottom line of private weapons companies? Sounds like a mutated form of socialism.

Trump is coming back with nothing except praising Kim Jong Un and letting him off the hook for the torture and death of an American. How you guys spin that into a win is mind boggling.

 

Not spinning...I said he didn’t lose. I never said he won anything.

Saudi = geopolitics. Never said anything about belly up. I was merely observing the rationale behind it. And, trying to understand how not selling weapons to Saudi’s somehow punishes them for journalists murder. Maybe it doesn’t seem right when you get emotional about it....

 

ahh the emotional deflection. Again, we aren't going to go in a seize the prince behind it. So we just throw our hands up in the air and say oh well. You offer no suggestions aside from "just let it go" which I find equally as useless as you find the stoppage of weapon sales to them.

 

That's a big leap to take there Barry, Iran would overtake the Saudis just because they can't buy American weapons. Like Jay said, I'm sure they could find other sellers of inferior weapons that would still destroy anything Iran has. Otto Warmbrier his fault also?

 

I have no idea who this Otto guy is, neither do I care.
The Saudis are important to our Mid-east strategy. Therefore, they stay protected by us. We have handed off enough of the Middle East to the Russians--they ARE, as Romney said, your largest adversary in the Western world. China is in the Far East. Mr. Obama said it was the climate.

 

Lol back to deflecting toward Obama, the old go to. So we shouldn't pull out of Syria then right? Need that for our Middle Eastern strategy? What is this strategy again? Spend billions and send thousands to die for nothing? Last I checked the middle east is almost exactly the same as it was 20 years ago, time to change the strategy. Time to pull out of the middle east and let them cannibalize themselves, they have never wanted the western world over there and never will. My biggest agreement point with Trump is him wanting to pull out of Syria, treat the middle east like we treat Africa now, let them sort it out themselves.

 

Your current president thinks Putin is a great leader and trustworthy guy...I don't recall Obama saying things like that...

 

obarry in rare form today. Keep it coming haha

 

It's all about ahwl...as in "Check yer ahwl?"

I agree with much of Kyle's post, but we actually have some military (several thousand, last I read) deployed across Africa. I don't see the need for that either.

 

With terrorists being pushed out of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc., they end up migrating to Africa where they are setting up shop and growing in numbers. The need to keep them from growing too strong in the area is there I would say. I do believe in fighting them over there so that we don't have to fight them here. That's why it's so hard to pull out, because they are like cockroaches, impossible to kill them all. I don't like being the world police but I also don't like having events like 9/11 happening.

 

Seems like robbing peter to pay paul. I'm not willing to trade the guarantee of American soldiers lives for the possibility of another terror attack. And weren't they almost all Saudi on the planes on 9/11, yet we still think buddying up Just sounds like another endless war in the making.

These people can't sustain themselves without oil, it their only commodity. So since we are pumping out our own energy like crazy now, just stop buying from them. And if we could move to something like solar and cut our oil consumption by even 25% the value of oil would plummet therefore taking the blood out of the snakes. We are already trending in this direction without really giving it much effort. There are just smarter ways to cripple Middle Eastern nations than giving American lives imho.

 

It's called "geopolitics" for a reason.

Don't be so sure that your suggestions wouldn't drag the country into a huge world conflagration.

Don't have time for specifics right now...maybe later.

Look at what you're saying, then think about every possible outcome. Really think about it.

 

I’m all for a better solution that doesn’t take the lives of Americans and I’m not saying you don’t have a decent point, but I don’t think we are there yet.

 

As opposed to the repeated outcome we have seen for the last 30 years in the middle east? It's the same sh1t, different presidents.

 

It’s not an easy problem to fix or else it would have been done.

 

Yes, but now Kushner is on the case and he's putting that top secret clearance to good use. He's gonna have the whole thing wrapped up before the end of this term.

 

I know it's an old argument, but is it really America's job to attempt fixing it? That part of the world has been in turmoil since prior to the Crusades.
There seems to be no clear goal, strategy, or end point. What constitutes victory for us? Is "victory" even possible? It's almost become another Soviet Union in Afghanistan or US in Vietnam.

 

nukes.