people at the mercy of a gov't gone "fowl"

Is it just me or does "Andrewk529" avatar remind you of the Nazi flag? I believe you sir qualify as a fascist environmental whacko!!!!!!

 

yeah,Amsterdam.
neat flag.

 

Please define what you mean by the "entire National Seashore".

 

Because they're birds, and we're humans.

 

I was referring to Cape Hatteras National Seashore.

We have more in common with perceived "lower" organisms then most people would like to admit.

Again, the issue is more complex than a few nesting sites. It only takes one storm to destroy a colony of nesting birds, who will not breed until the subsequent year. That's exactly my point, the Outer Banks have turned into an urban sprawl, restricting the native wildlife to a few small areas.

Park the cars outside of the National Parks, and hike into the areas. I applaud your positive attitude, but the fact is many people do not tread lightly. One more aspect: if 100,000 people tread lightly, the additive effect becomes a significant detrimental impact.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Parks+in+peril:+are+we+loving+our+national+parks+to+death?-a016908048

 

huh? the only thing I have in common with them is that if I was starving I would catch and eat one of those birds and their eggs.

Why are you so passionate about this? You're from Delaware right?

 

I respect nature, and it is my hope American's will awaken to their folly before it's too late. Yes,my ethnic origins are traced back to the Delmarva Peninsula, long before any Colonists had chosen this continent.

 

you respect nature? Do you believe in evolution?

 

Andrew is nothing like Mikeb

You guys are bashing a dude for simply stating the science behind the closures. I am also a biologist and his statements are accurate.

I'm with most of you regarding "deals with the government" just ask native americans what happened to their deals they made with the government. ... Broken promises are nothing new.

Hatteras locals have solid reason to be pissed about beach closures when you were promised that part of the management strategy was beach access forever.

As Andrew stated, that promise was superceded by the Endangered Species Act which requires any federal agency managing public lands to protect endangered or threatened species under their jurisdiction no matter what. It's a lose lose proposition.

Andrew is nothing like Mikeb... this guy knows his ****, cold. MikeB was a youtube know it all contrarian who enjoyed baiting surfers like me into arguments. It's okay to have opinions different from other people but respect for other's opinions is pretty important too.

'nuff said

 

that's what's wrong with this country these days. We've regulated ourselves to death. When a bird's rights take precedence over a human's, something is not right.

What if the rangers found a human on the beach killing the piping plovers? Would they shoot the human?

 

Andrew is a douche bag know it all elitist of the worst kind. I can trace my lineage to England and then from that to some plain in Africa. Who gives a flying f^ck.

 

i hate to crash the party but everyone that iv ever seen driving on the beach down there just drinks bud light all day, does some donuts, and leaves rusty salt water tackle all over the sandbars. But dont worry, the NCBBA will fight this one to the bone, and they are well funded.

The other side is that they want to take away another precious liberty. Scientists and conservationists (not to be confused with conservatives) hate freedom, its the nature of the biz. How do you keep thousands of people off the beach? Laws and restrictions and park rangers to enforce them. This is why its illegal to set foot on fishermans island. Some hippy attempt to save a species of bird that is not able to adapt to its changing environment.

All I want to know is this: Why is no one crying about the miles and miles of coast line that we are not allowed access to because of the military bases?

 

he also reps the amsterdam flag, which makes the statement: "Im high" Therefore anything he says can be discounted as delirious.

 

Ya, it too bad they don't let you do this though.... The close off the entire beach, no foot traffic, no nothing...

I cant surf the point/wrap around any more because of this ****!!!! I hate the damn plovers!!!! Their not even a native species!!!

 

hate to disagree with you on this, but there are a few bad apples in every barrel so don't stereotype the beach goers. like i said, i've lived here 34 years on hatteras island and the majority of the people driving on the beach are families with their kids, guys that have been working all day that live here because they love the beach and they love to fish and retirees who either live here or drive here to fish. being here everyday is different than visiting here.

 

urban sprawl is nags head and points north. it is not part of the cape hatteras national seashore recreation area.

 

folks might want to check this out:

http://www.preservebeachaccess.org/landingnew/videomattw.html

(senior editor of surfing mag)

 

yeah, but you could walk out there in chest deep or deeper water before they closed the entire point. imagine carrying all your stuff with you that way. it's only a mile or two.

 

What about Avon,Frisco and Buxton or the three villages of Rodanthe,Salvo and Waves, not to mention Hatteras town? The invasive botanical species are here to stay; futility comes to mind when attempting to remove certain plant species. Do a Google search on invasive plants and their impact. In any case, these are completely separate issues, and are not associated with the beach closures.

Think of how much enjoyment everyone would receive, if they actually walked on the beach, and noticed the nuances of nature. You cannot appreciate nature from inside a steel frame with the AC blowing.