people at the mercy of a gov't gone "fowl"

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by njsurfer42, Sep 14, 2010.

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  1. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    exactly. in my nearly 30 years visiting cape hatteras regularly, i have seen exactly a small handful of people doing this. & i have always, even at 7 or 8 years old, thought that they were idiots.
    as i said in a previous post, there's no need to go faster than about 10mph. you've got small animal life, of the feathered(birds), scaled(turtles), & skinned(children) variety, to be on the watch for. keep it slow, keep it safe.

    andrew, the villages of hatteras island are not examples of urban sprawl. i'm not sure what your definition of that term is, but i think of places like philadelphia, new york, etc...when i hear that phrase.
    as for the invasive species, to my mind they are relevant, b/c if you're going to try to forcibly remove one invasive species (humans. b/c that's what we are to the folks orchestrating this battle), then you should try to remove all of them. & those plants give cover to predators, which allows them to stalk the birds & get much closer undetected then they normally could. remove the cover & you can reduce predation, which is likely a bigger issue for the birds then people using the beach, esp. if they use it reasonably & responsibly.
     
  2. Recycled Surfer

    Recycled Surfer Well-Known Member

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    Jan 1, 2010
    It took 6 or 7 plovers to make a meal and they didn't taste very good at that. Their eggs don't scramble very well either. :(
     

  3. ND081

    ND081 Well-Known Member

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    Aug 7, 2010
    you must have gotten some big plovers, took me about 19, and I had to get rid of a few because i couldnt hide all 25 in my backpack.
     
  4. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    typical strolling naturalist talk. not everyone has the ability or inclination to walk the miles upon hot, sandy miles that would be required to reach the more secluded areas of the hatteras island. also, i don't really fancy the idea of hiking that sort of distance over soft sand w/ chairs, board, backpack & such, while helping my gf whose right leg is partially paralyzed thru no fault of her own & has difficulty walking on soft surfaces. should we not be able to gain access to those secluded areas b/c walking isn't an option?
    also, you're ignorance of the people involved is showing when you speak the way you just did, "inside a steel frame w/ the ac blowing." i've never, ever seen anyone using ac on the beaches there. they've got the windows down & are enjoying the sea breeze circulating thru the vehicle. nature's own ac is what they've got going on. most (not all) even turn off the radio so that they can hear the waves breaking & the bird calls.
    folks who are inclined to appreciate nature will do so, regardless of whether they are in a car or out of it. your mode of transportation has no effect on your powers of observation.
    you've now shown yourself for something of an idealist...the days of strolling naturalists like emerson, theoreau, etc., are gone & will not be back any time soon.
     
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  5. intheeye

    intheeye Well-Known Member

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    Feb 9, 2009
    imagine walking three miles with your kids, the mother in law, etc. these people are out on the beach enjoying nature instead of sitting in the mcmansions that use heaps of electricity, etc. you don't get it.
     
  6. intheeye

    intheeye Well-Known Member

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    Feb 9, 2009
    a good example is the old dredge pond out behind the campground near the point. it would be a perfect environment but the park has let it become an over grown swamp perfect for breeding mosquitos and a home to predator snakes.
     
  7. ND081

    ND081 Well-Known Member

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    Aug 7, 2010
    i dont understand what the big deal is with driving on the beach. they have roads now. we get along fine in NJ and we cant drive on the beach
     
  8. intheeye

    intheeye Well-Known Member

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    Feb 9, 2009
    if you lived here you would understand. this isn't NJ. you can't compare the two.
     
  9. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    Sep 3, 2010
    There are miles of beaches which are easily accessible, where breeding bird species haven't formed breeding colonies; I am sorry to hear about the impairments, but these beaches that you obviously enjoy are being degraded by automobile traffic. If you think you can appreciate with an engine running, turn it off sometime, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

    The irony in that statement is the pond provides habitat for bird and insect species who eat mosquitoes. The snakes also eat rodents, not humans, so don't be scared.
     
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  10. MATT JOHNSON

    MATT JOHNSON Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2009

    you actually very wrong there are Parks for motorized vehicals that practice the tread lighty plan and they look like man has almost never been there exept for a trail . check out Raush Creek or anyone of them type places they practice tread lightly for minimal envormental impact.
     
  11. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    they drive all over the beach on this island in nj non-stop for for ten months straight from barnegat inlet in island beach state park to mantoloking,and that's a good stretch of jersey shore miles.

    intheye is correct;you don't get it,andrew from amsterdam.

    if you had any connection with Hatteras whatsoever you would get it.

    I actually know resident people being hurt by your kind,you are invasive to their home,you are threatening them,they could become endangered by you,and there's more to life than your tragically flawed science.

    life is not science.

    when man's science is considered the only truth,it is totally false.

    there are many other things than science involved that you do not at all even consider.

    i think that would be ignorance,and since you've stated that if we don't agree with you we are ignorant,so,i don't mind telling you.

    your science is a false god,and a God-less religion.
     
  12. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    believe me when i tell you that you've missed the point of my posts entirely (in fact, except for your sympathy for my gf, it seems as if you've not even read them). i get out in nature sans motor vehicle very, very frequently. however, i do enjoy being able to share remote stretches of beach & coastline w/ my gf in my jeep...seeing pelicans, dolphins, skimmers, even plovers doing their thing along the water's edge. i rarely go above a slow creep unless there are other vehicles around, but even then never faster then 15mph.

    those easily accessible beaches that you mention are packed. if i wanted to sit on the beach w/ 50 people w/in a quarter mile, i'd just stay here in nj. & that's exactly what folks will do if beach access is restricted in the ways that you & yours want. the great thing about hatteras island is the solitude you can still find in this crowded, noisy 21st century.

    btw, while you addressed my gf's "impairments," you didn't answer the question i posed when mentioning them. you simply deflected. or was that your answer? that you believe we DON'T have the right to access those expanses of beach.
     
  13. MATT JOHNSON

    MATT JOHNSON Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2009
    yes i can appreciate the sound of a engine . Build one from a Bare Block to a full out 12.5 to 1 compression ration ran on race fuel. No need for a radio at all!!. And the smell of leaded VP C12 race fuel Makes me think of Victory!
     
  14. BeachCruiser01

    BeachCruiser01 Well-Known Member

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    Sep 14, 2007
    conservationist & Amsterdam?

    Amsterdam? Really? The city got its name from daming the Amstell River. Then the city set about creating a massive canal system throughout the city.
    What could be more environmentally sensitve than damming a river, digging canals then building on every square inch of the city?
    Was this irony intentional?

    But seriously, rabid environmentalists and conservationists have to admit reality. The reality is that man exists and impacts the environment. We should work to mitigate the damage man creates. Erradicating man from places is not the answer, compromise is. Federal land is OUR land for us to use and enjoy.

    And all you Delawareans keep this in mind when politicians suggest we need a national park in Delaware. We are the only state that does not have a national park, and given this type of over reach, I dont want the Feds getting their hands into our already messed up corrupt DENREC.
     
  15. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    I was with you for the first few sentences / mini paragraphs. Then things got a little scary.
    you need to watch the icp video "miracles" on youtube. You will probably love it.
     
  16. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    sorry,dude.
    andrew's preaching some kind of weird religion where science is all that counts.
    sounds like a definite religion to me,these environment only,human hating people.
    science is not God.
    man's wisdom,science,is actually pretty much a shambles.
    any decent scientist knows it,too
     
  17. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    The thing I never understand is that if these people hate humans so much why don't they kill themselves? That is the perfect solution.
     
  18. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    Sep 3, 2010
    I would argue that there are many areas on the Outer Banks, which have lower beach densities, and are easily accessible for handicap individuals, with abundant wildlife. Again, I am in favor of closing the beaches in specific areas when breeding species are present. It would be arrogant to assert humanity over wildlife, especially when species viability is at stake. Last time I checked Humans were not in danger of extinction.

    The canals were constructed almost 500 years ago, long before conservation was in the common lexicon.

    I was advocating for closing a small portion of the beaches to vehicle traffic, to preserve certain threatened, and endanged species. If i had the personal option,I would close the entire national seashore to ORV traffic,
    realisitically this isn't a plausible scenario.


    :confused:

    Please don't drive it on the beach!!!! hahaha


    A lot of the extended protection areas are directly related to vandalism.


    http://www.nps.gov/caha/parknews/vandalism-results-in-charges.htm

    http://www.nps.gov/caha/parknews/third-deliberate-vandalism-2010.htm

    http://www.nps.gov/caha/parknews/ramp45-closed-vandalism.htm

    http://www.nps.gov/caha/parknews/vandalism-of-resource-protection-area-closure-signs.htm


    et cetera..............................
     
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  19. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    If you are wondering why this isnt going your way, andrew, its because you PICKED THE WRONG WEBSITE TO TALK ABOUT CLOSING BEACHES. What did you expect? Those are fightin words around here, bra.
     
  20. wallysurfr

    wallysurfr Well-Known Member

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    Oct 23, 2007
    What would happen if the bird did go extinct? Is there some sort of repurcussion that I'm not aware of? Or is it just that the bird will be gone?
     
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