i could fill the back of my truck up with fast food wrappers, empty 40 oz bottles, chicken bones and busted beach chairs that our weekend visitors leave behind, drive up the parkway to Elizabeth, Staten Island or Bloomfield etc. find some park with swingsets and Grills and picnic tables, dump it all and drive away. Thing is, no one would notice because it would just blend in with how it looks already. Best thing we can do is keep the badge fees high so we have money to clean up afterwards. Because I sure as **** can find a million better uses for my volunteer time and energy than cleaning up after pigs
Sweeping generalizations? I'm pretty sure we're being pretty specific....and it's not "surrounded by garbage" as much as "responsible for the garbage that surrounds them." Have you been to Staten Island? The Bronx? Brookyln? Queens? If not, you should visit before making a sweeping generalization about others that have to tolerate the filth of people that come from those areas. Talk about sweeping generalizations! Give me a break. Can you be more specific in regards to location? I can. How about Coney Island. They live in the city and in proximity to the ocean. Visit that little slice of heaven and tell me how well they care for that section of the planet. Do you mean Joel Tudor out of San Diego, CA? I don't know if you've realized, but there's a tad of a culture difference between CA & NY when it comes to the environment. Perhaps you can name Joel's equivalent working out of NYC? No sweeping generalizations, please. What you're reading here isn't something out of book or dug up on the internet. These are common people that live in NJ beach towns and have noticed an increase in the rudeness & litter that occurs when the NY license plates start filling up the parking spaces. Go 10 miles inland & it almost doesn't exist....neither do the license plates. Not so "sweeping" anymore...is it.
Ray F - Where to start? Maybe with your avatar... it seems appropriate. As I think I alluded to in my earlier post, I do live in New York and have chanced upon the boroughs surrounding it. Like many people, Joel Tudor included (ever noticed how his Kookbox boards are now partially branded in NYC? Were you aware he is a NYC homeowner? Surfs Montauk and Long beach pretty regularly?), I moved here for a variety of reasons. To say that residents of NY are dirty is a... wait for it.... a sweeping generalization. To say that Californians are more green than their counterparts in NY is also.... a sweeping generalization that I just wouldnt agree with. You see, I can surf the day after rain in the east coast. Anywhere. Not true in California and I know this because I also lived there. Have you? It's a result of the massive amounts of pesticides and lawn treatments combined with the elevation changes. Sure they have "green" car lanes and talk about it a lot, but have you spent time in LA? Seen the smog cloud from the lineup in Santa Barbara? Why do I care to have this conversation with someone who gets angry and spouts off nonsense? Because I grew up at the beach in Jersey and my folks still live there. I'll spell it out with crayon for you: I have to deal with the same garbage you do. I chose to handle it proactively and not blame a "state". You seem sure it's NewYork. I'm just saying, there's a good chance it's NY, Philly, Asbury Park, etc. The only people I am quick to judge, are the people who earn it. You've earned it with your generalizations and internet anger. People from any state can earn it by littering. I'm sure as hell not going to be a hypocrite and assume someone's a jackwagon based on where there car is insured. Are you? There was a solid article in Surfer recently about not forgetting that surfing is about having fun. Trash upsets me as much as the next person but throwing garbage on the ground isn't any worse than throwing garbage on an internet forum. Your still throwing garbage out that others feel the need to clean up. The original poster was venting and i get that. His response similarly identified that he was being proactive in his approach as well... no worries with that. Fortunately, you came in at the nick of time to remind us all that there is in fact a "benny" everywhere.
Forgot to include this: http://www.kookboxx.com/ If you havent ridden one, they rock... A little pricey, but super fun.
Ah...personal attacks. I won't say everyone in NY is hostile, but I know of one that claims he's from NY that is. This explains a lot. Notice how I didn't mention Long Island? Do you think that was a mistake? I don't know what beach you grew up at, but I was born and raised in Long Branch, NJ...2 blocks from the beach. I'm not going to get wrapped up in your liberal rhetoric about what NY residents deserve the title of "dirty." I've lived the life of a NJ beach town kid dealing with shoobies. It's not new and it's not in all of the NJ locals' imaginations. The reason is exactly because of what I've already mentioned in my last post. If you choose not to believe it, that's your choice. The people in NJ choose to believe it from personal experience.....not an internet soap box eulogy claiming geographically co-located people aren't responsible for the condition of their immediate envronment or the way the environments of the places they visit begin to look like where they're from. The only angry person is you, my friend. My avatar...I'm a benny, etc. You make that very clear. I get it. You're upset because you're from a place that isn't popular and you're not willing to consider that what's been said here is even remotely possible. Ever stop to think you're a minority in that party? Probably not. You're too busy fixing me. Thanks.
Ray - Argue the core of what I said instead of nit-picking. I dont believe you can declare an entire state to be filled with Dirty people. How do you know whose car is from Montauk or the Adirondacks and whose is from the city? Let me guess, you inspect the bumper for yellow taxi paint before passing judgement? I'm not angry, and if your reading comprehension was any better than your argument, you'd realize the point of my post was simple: Less *****ing, more correcting. I do realize that the beaches change when vacationers arrive. It's no different then when you go skiing/boarding, visit a city for the museum or a concert, etc. It's a smaller world than any of us realize and at the end of the day, taking a pro-active approach might open a few eyes that were previously closed. You seem very comfortable assuming you know who I am and how I live based on where I have my mail sent. How's that smart again? When you see a California plate, do you say, "WOW, I bet that guys RIPS"? What about Florida plates? Wow, I bet they cant surf anything over waist high? Come on man, admit it. Judging people in blanketed fashion hasnt worked out too well historically for anyone... I'd simply challenge you to jump to a few less conclusions and in the process, have a little more fun. I promise, the first time you hand someone their soda bottle on the beach, and they have no clue what to say, you'll be laughing a lot more than spouting hate on a web forum. I hope the surf is better in VB than it looks to be in Montauk or SJ this weekend or I'd imagine the ornery factor will only increase on both sides...
I'll tell you what: You make the core your more identifiable and I'll address it more directly. You're all over the place, including sarcasm, personal attacks and attempted character assassination. My reading comprehension is now under question? Really? CA & FL plates? I actually think "Man, they must hate this weather." LOL. You win, bubba...not out of substance, but endurance. The New Yorkers that visit the beaches in NJ are the cleanest and most cordial people I know.
Character Assassination? Come o....... just kidding. I suppose we agree to disagree. New Yorkers visiting NJ may well bring poor manners but I'll hope that not everyone who sees NY plates assumes it's filled with nature hating kooks based on that fact alone. Similarly, I'll try and keep an open mind when I see fast and the furious prop cars with yellow license plates in Montauk bumping techno at 10am as I get out of the water (kidding, kidding....) Here's to cleaner beaches thanks to awareness and the efforts of those that care enough to do something about it regardless of where they sleep or register their cars. As the original OP stated, here's also to winter swell, crowds, and waves...
i love new york and i love new yorkers,but not the ones who come down here every summer,those new yorkers are a bunch of filthy,rude,selfish scummy pigs.
i was banned by a tyrannical beotch for keeping it real. now i'm back. BGH!!!! Deal and Long Branch are swarming with them..but as someone wrote, this is all part of the game. Bennys cum...bennys go!
I wish micah could come up with an option to hide the forum. This website has a very accurate forecast, but the forum quality is really starting to kill it.
True Dat. Also, does anyone here see the irony of (mostly) suburbanites crusading against city-folk in the realm of environmentalism? I agree that many people from NYC are generally offensive (I am a Ravens/Orioles fan, after all), trashy, and lacking in moral character. That being said, there are MILLIONS of people in NYC. Plenty of them, including many close friends of mine, live in the city precisely BECAUSE they are environmentalists. Do you know how much more you can do for sustainability by living in a city? By that I mean...not owning a car and walking/biking/subway'ng, smaller energy usage, etc. Surburban life is, by definition, dirty. Don't get me wrong. I'm not condemning anyone here, and I'm sure many people here bike it around town anyway. I am insisting that the "sweeping generalizations" about New Yorker's and city dwellers in general are hardly universal. This isn't really "news", but I think Present was on the right track in many ways in his earlier post. I completely agree with his assertion that SoCal is FAR FROM environmentally sustainable. The situation there is ridiculous. They want to FEEL like they've got it right, but the reality is not quite so gleeful.
the beaches are trash when theyre here and cleaner when they aint. fact. superfish stop bellyaching about the forum or stop using . gosh
I wont even get into this mess, but in southern california's defense, if you had 360 days of the year with NO rain in NYC, your waterways would be Lethal, filled with pollutants, oils, garbage etc. when it rained also. That doesn't say anything about how "green" the people are. And not to generalize anything else about NYC, but I will do it: If you think NYC had similar, stagnant weather patterns that Santa Barbara and LA have, which allow smog/pollutants to accumulate, I would bet you couldnt see your hand in front of your face in downtown NYC or any burough. Comparing the run-off or air quality of such drastically different places and sub-climates doesn't do it for me... I would imagine that a huge portion of the NYC communities are very eco-friendly and very proactive about taking care of this planet. I think they probably mirror a very similar thinking of most califonrians. cheers!
Christ almighty - you guys just always have to find somethin to ***** about! I mean, you can't find ANYTHING enjoyable about summer? the occasional break you get at first light, cuz you sussed it and had a feeling, and got a few with nobody around except friends and a few familiar faces? a weekday afternoon when you're off and the rest of the world is at work, or the punters are off having a drink while you manage to get a few memorable waves to enjoy? you guys make me sick, all you do is *****, *****, ***** about the kooks and weekend tourists, and you pretend that you are "locals" because you go to a spot on a regular basis (I must be "local" everywhere, cuz I'll troll up and down the coast to find anywhere that's breaking - and I'll bet I find breaks more often than you, cuz you're sittin on your asses writing about the guys who are not locals crowding out "your break"! Get over it, poseurs! That's all you are! (and try to have some fun - I don't know if you've got the mentality for it!
it never rains in southern california.... >>>I wont even get into this mess, but in southern california's defense, if you had 360 days of the year with NO rain in NYC, your waterways would be Lethal, filled with pollutants, oils, garbage etc. when it rained also. That doesn't say anything about how "green" the people are.<<<< amen, zach. in fact, anyone who was around in the 70's experiencing the accumulated oil/tar on their feet from the leaking rigs off HB and LB or the smoggy days that left kids with painful chests breathing YELLOW air, knows things have improved dramatically, despite heavy population growth and large populations of people (OC, anyone?) who battle every attempt to save something for someone else a generation away and want to overbuild every square foot...and then complain about traffic as they sit idling in their hummer. get some perspective, people...
