Inappropriate Longboard Sizes . . .

Discussion in 'Northeast' started by Sloop John B., Jul 4, 2011.

  1. Sloop John B.

    Sloop John B. Well-Known Member

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    Jun 28, 2011
    Dear fellow surfers,

    Please use a longboard that is an appropriate size for you, maybe slightly bigger or slightly smaller but nothing extreme. If you're some tiny thing of about 110 pounds, there is no reason for you to be on a 10'+ longboard. It's unnecessary.

    I know that the beauty of a longboard is getting on the wave early. I hear that—I ride longboard primarily, too. But it's ****ing irritating when every other surfer is in a normal lineup and when I start paddling for a wave that I'm really in the better position (closer to the peak) for, you just paddle in from yards and yards behind the lineup and effectively snake me.

    I'm sorry, but in situations like this I don't really like that "first one up gets the wave" thing. If you paddle a big enough board, of course you're going to get up before anybody else. I know you might be up on the wave before me but when you're only there because you're riding what is, in proportion to you, a floating dock, I don't think that makes it your wave. If you're going to shoot in from behind at an angle to get on the wave first and then ride in front of me, I just think that's snaking, even if you did get up first.

    Sorry for the rant. Today I was surfing and it was some knee-high stuff—mostly I just wanted to get in the water—and some surfer did this to me. It pissed me off, and I'm usually pretty cool about things in the water.

    It was also 4th of July and I was there since the early morning just watching the waves until the bar started working, and I wasn't too thrilled when the independence day Long Beach crowd rolled in and started crowding me out.
     
  2. MFitz73

    MFitz73 Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    dude you got to use the right board for the conditions. I bet if you ask the longboarder how his/her surf was today... it would be a good report. I pulled out a 9footer sunday afternoon and an 8footer today.
     

  3. Sloop John B.

    Sloop John B. Well-Known Member

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    Jun 28, 2011
    Dude I know. I was on a longboard . . .

    I just thing that if you want to surf a damned boat, I don't have to give you right of way on the wave because you caught it earlier.

    She was way outside all the longboarders because she was probably like 110 pounds and on a 10'+ longboard. That's complete overkill. I feel like it's cheap to ride a board that you could probably stand on while completely still in the water and then be like "this is my wave" because you stood up before everyone else using a board that's reasonable for his or her body size.

    Granted, the same could be said for the longboarder-shortboarder relationship. But when I'm on a longboard, if I see someone on a shortboard who will be closer to the peak when the wave gets to him, and he paddles for it, then I'm going to let him have the wave (within reason—that is, unless he abuses this). And there's a reason for someone to have a longboard or a shortboard—they have different characteristics. Having a grossly oversized board does nothing except let you be lazy . . .
     
  4. MFitz73

    MFitz73 Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    you should have snaked her then a few times. from what I understand Long Beach is not a pleasant place to surf during the summer. they really aught to open up at least 2 more beaches to thin the crowds a bit.

    was this girl at least cute?
     
  5. travy

    travy Well-Known Member

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    Jul 3, 2010
    someone snaked me monday and i shot my board at his head. didn't do it again.. i have to say this is my biggest pet peeve in the water. drop in on me? fine. ditch your board in my path? it happens. but snake me and i see red. and it's almost always a longboarder taking off from the outside jumping their place in line.

    anyway, life's too short to fight over surfing but that sh!t makes my blood boil. :mad:

    /rantoff/
     
  6. Sloop John B.

    Sloop John B. Well-Known Member

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    Jun 28, 2011
    Haha no. She was actually a woman, not a girl, and she looked sort of like Linda Greenlaw in a wetsuit.

    It's alright though. It annoyed me a bit but eventually I just moved to a different area and tried to catch some peaks there, an after that it was all pretty decent.

    You're right about it being unpleasant—at least on the level that it's insanely crowded. I find that the jetties on the beaches work quite well and make somewhat small and/or mushy stuff quite rideable. Also, there's almost no localism there (the locals are friendly), which is nice.

    Unfortunately I can really only ride summer, since I'm a college student. I really wish I could ride fall and spring like I used to in high school, but I'm in Pennsylvania most of that time. I half-want to ride winter, but I probably wouldn't because my dad used to ride winter back in the '60s and '70s and he ended up with some pretty bad surfers ear that kind of screwed his hearing in one ear. That kind of keeps me from going in the really cold stuff (which I could probably otherwise do between semesters).

    I wish Long Beach was less crowded but it's also one of my favorite local surfing spots for the way it breaks waves. So, I've got to deal with it.
     
  7. DankSerpico

    DankSerpico New Member

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    Jul 5, 2011
    I'm just learning so I ride an 8ft but I'm like 6ft so it seems to make sense. I know what you're saying about people riding some massive boards, I saw a guy with the biggest board I've ever seen but then I realized it was a paddle board, not sure if that made it OK. He never did catch a wave if I recall.

    I was out on Friday and the waves were small but fun and easy enough to catch. Early on it wasn't too crowded but it started to fill in later in the day. I accidently dropped in on a wave someone was already riding, it didn't really cramp his style though as he had a pretty long ride already just to get where I was (I like to call it poseur alley), we both rode a little too close for comfort for the rest of the wave. He looked pretty annoyed so I apologized for freshman error but he was kinda prima-donna about the whole thing.

    But then I got crowded out of my far out of the line spot (poseur alley) by some surf school guys who saw I was getting rides. I'll chalk that up to karma.

    LB on a holiday weekend sounds like something best avoided, although I'm sure Rockaway was like grand friggen central in comparison.
     
  8. Kaptman

    Kaptman Well-Known Member

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    Mar 7, 2011
    I totally agree with you. The SUPers do the same thing. Have a little respect and everyone enjoy a ride. Or at least go to the opposite side so others can use the wave too. Besides, if someone keeps snaking me I pull out the surftech and just drop in on them. Let the chips fall. LOL.
     
  9. surfsolo

    surfsolo Well-Known Member

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    Apr 1, 2009
    Everyone needs to chill out. They are just waves and you will be rewarded for being patient. If you are not patient I suggest moving to an isolated island reefpass...otherwise on LI, you MUST be patient for the waves, and in the summer, for the people. Many newer surfers don't know the code of conduct, and that being said neither did I when I first started surfing. After a couple of years I learned all the conduct ropes, but it is frustrating when people snake you. All I have to say is this guy snaked me a few weeks ago on a waist high day and after that wave I caught a few good ones while he was paddling back out. I was so stoked to get those waves I couldn't care less about the guy snaking, and if fact many time it works out to my favor anyway. Keep the stoke and good vibes in the water, keep the aggro out.
     
  10. travy

    travy Well-Known Member

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    Jul 3, 2010
    so those of us getting snaked should be more patient? sorry, i'm not buying the beginners argument. if you know enough to paddle out on the peak and how to paddle inside of someone you know 'the code'. 99 percent of the time the person who needs to be 'more patient' is the one doing the snaking as it is often the locals who are the main offenders.
     
  11. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    +1
    what he said
     
  12. Kaptman

    Kaptman Well-Known Member

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    Mar 7, 2011
    First thing I asked as a beginner was, "what is the ethics of surfing". I didn't want to look like an idiot and piss people off, so asked what was appropriate.
     
  13. kumachan

    kumachan New Member

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    Jul 6, 2011
    Really?

    Lemme get this straight: Someone went out to a designated surf beach on July 4, the single most crowded day with down-for-the-day folks and their rental softtops, on a day when the surf was 1' or less and they're complaining that they got "snaked" by a logger? Really? How long have you been surfing Long Beach? That's just how it's been since...oh, I don't know, forever? I strongly suggest dp at a non-surf designated beach.:cool:

    C'mon, it was an epic bikini watching day, not even a mediocre surf day! As I remember it, no one was catching waves that morning, except maybe one of the janitors. Besides, those epic, summer, 1', wind swell waves were breaking right on the beach that morning. The fog was insane (couldn't see the guy 20' away from me) the tide killed it by 7:30 AM and then the winds went west, killing whatever was left.
     
  14. kumachan

    kumachan New Member

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    Jul 6, 2011
    What are you talking about, Rockaway? If someone insists on surfing between 9:00 AM and 6:00 PM, there are seven designated surf beaches: Two all year round/all day surf beaches, another two other beaches that are surf beaches in the mornings only, and then the regular weekly rotating surf beach and now the new weekly rotating surf beaches in the West End! Don't be lazy, walk or drive a little further to the next surf beach. Doesn't take much to go to the City of Long Beach website and click on the surf beach schedule.
     
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2011
  15. Sloop John B.

    Sloop John B. Well-Known Member

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    Jun 28, 2011
    You're right, it was foggy as hell and breaking on shore in the morning, so it did suck in the morning. I was hoping it would be better but it wasn't. Oh well. I sat on the beach for the fog to clear and for the tide to come down. I was there before most people were on the beach waiting to get some waves without worrying about when I got back (I work full time).

    When the time got in there were some rideable longboard waves, but the beach got a lot more crowded, especially when the fog burned off.

    Look dude, I don't care that the waves weren't epic. I don't expect every day to be epic. I get out as much as I can and try to ride as often as possible, even if it's mush. I love surfing and it doesn't matter whether it's knee-high mush or overhead barrels. A ****ty day in the surf is ten times better than the best days I have on land. It also helps me to resolve a lot of any of the issues I'm having in my life to get out and surf, so I do it as much as possible. So what if the waves were mediocre?

    In any case, I did get a few really decent waves that I got some long rides out of. Those waves were paid for by like half hours of waiting each, but they were there. That made it all worth it.

    I was on a log. I'm fine with people riding longboards. I just think it's poor ethos to ride a massively oversized longboard and then grab waves way out and expect people to get out of your way because you were standing on your barge before the people inside. It's one thing to longboard—that's a style/"right board for the right day" type thing. It's another thing to surf a board with enough volume to surf a 210+lb man as an ~110lb woman. That's absurd.

    Also, as a longboarder I try to give shortboarders waves that they will be in the better position for, even if I can get up before them. If I accidentally do take such a wave, I apologize for crowding them out. I do consider it snaking, even if they are up first.
     
  16. Kaptman

    Kaptman Well-Known Member

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    Mar 7, 2011
    I'm with Sloop John B. Snaking is snaking. You want to wait and let people snake you and be patient and wait for your one wave of the day then good for you. I'll let them do it once or twice then I'm dropping in on them. And when the snake gets an attitude I'll be more than sure to let them know the do's and don'ts. Unlike some people who want to be door mats, I'd rather set the record straight. That way on future days snaker will know the deal. Rather than me sitting there letting them have their way on the beach. I've learned with the snakes its best to ignore them and go for the waves you want. They'll get the picture your not going to put up with them. Works all the time. P.S. They know what they are doing.
     
  17. mv1

    mv1 New Member

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    Dec 16, 2010
    tough guys talking

    Do you all have any idea how stupid this kind of talk is??? Who's the guy who said he fires boards at the heads of the person who dropped in on him??? What a complete jackass... You're *****ing about a lady on a log catchig knee-high waves. KNEE HIGH WAVES!!! Get over yourselves and get a board that's appropriate for the conditions. Fifty bucks says that board firing guy buys equipment that he has no business riding, but he's out there trying to kill somebody.

    Get some perspective and get a realistic board. Stop pretending that a photographer is shooting you from the jetty 'cause chances are you can't get out of your own way. To the rest of you - maybe a lady dominating you in knee-high slop is going to change the way you think, and where I come from if someone is out fighting over crap waves trying to put another guy in the hospital, you'll be the one getting F&#*@# up. Smarten up.
     
  18. Sloop John B.

    Sloop John B. Well-Known Member

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    Jun 28, 2011
    I was on an appropriate board for the conditions, and I was catching waves. I'm about 200 pounds and I was on a classic 9'10" from the '60s. That's entirely an appropriate size for knee-to-waist-high waves. If you're a tiny person about 110 pounds a 10'+ modern longboard is not appropriate. I'm sorry, but that's just way more flotation than you need. Of course she's going to get up first. I'm not even sure if you weigh that much with a board like that if you need any water running under the board to stand up on it . . .

    In a situation like that, being up first doesn't mean it's your wave.

    So what if the waves were small that day? Waves are always a commodity. I surf because I enjoy surfing. I'm not always looking for the biggest, baddest waves every time I go out. It makes me happy to be out in the ocean and on a wave (no matter the size), and it makes me forget about all of the other bull**** that goes on in my life. I don't want to have to deal with more bull**** in the ocean when that's exactly what I'm trying to escape.

    She wasn't dominating me. Haha. I ride pretty well. I was just objecting to people using extreme board size to catch waves instead of catching them on something that makes sense for their size, and expecting me to bail when you're catching waves way outside the lineup. Sorry, if someone's in the better position inside of you, you should give them the wave even if you're on it first.

    It doesn't matter what size the waves are. Respect is respect.
     
  19. travy

    travy Well-Known Member

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    Jul 3, 2010
    normally i never beef with anyone. just kinda snapped i guess. honestly would've been really bummed if the guy had gotten hit. though i suppose you should be careful about who you snake.
     
  20. Kaptman

    Kaptman Well-Known Member

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    Mar 7, 2011
    I think it comes down to basic courtesy and common sense. I was out today and some tool on a sit down board was hogging most of the waves. Same thing. He can paddle way out and catch almost anything. Don't go right through the line up and screw everyone else. I stopped letting him through and just caught waves weather he was there or not. I let him have a wave or two but when he kept doing it, it was too much. Same with the SUPers.