Carbon Fiber on tail?

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by surftb15, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. surftb15

    surftb15 Well-Known Member

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    I just got a few surfboards delivered, they all have CF near the tail. Besides the obvious advantage of adding strength to the tail, is there another advantage to having this CF?
     
  2. surfsolo

    surfsolo Well-Known Member

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  3. surftb15

    surftb15 Well-Known Member

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    thats really it?
     
  4. a2tall

    a2tall Well-Known Member

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    it doesn't really add considerable strength... carbon has extremely good flex patterns, but little impact resistance, it shatters when impacted. So yes it is purely aesthetics....
     
  5. surftb15

    surftb15 Well-Known Member

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    Cool. I got 5 boards delivered, all with this Carbon patch.
    now to rock out this thumbtail.
     
  6. pyroarchy

    pyroarchy Well-Known Member

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    Is it real carbon fiber or that fake stuff they have for car interiors? It depends alot on what its made of, theres different ways of making it and what to make it from IE: aluminum, glass, kevlar, etc.. Also different polymers that can be used to make it. You should ask the manufacturer about what its made of and what process to make it was used to be for sure. Theres afew variables that decides if its good and for what purpose. But it probably is just for looks, as it would be more expensive to do a proper job for strength and impact resistance, UV degrades it also so just something to in to mind.
     
  7. surftb15

    surftb15 Well-Known Member

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  8. SurfboardsByRider

    SurfboardsByRider Active Member

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    The patches are designed to add stiffness to the tail in the area of the fins and alter the flex pattern in the back 16-18 inches of the board (assuming it's real carbon fiber). What this does for your surfing is, well, up for debate.

    Mostly it's probably just because they look "cool".
     
  9. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Yea... carbon fiber adds stiffness. It's about triple the stiffness of fiberglass. It's true that carbon fiber's impact resistance is low, but it's stiffness helps prevent heel dents, because a heel dent is more of a pressure strain (deformation) then a point of impact failure, like a fracture/ding. So... aside from looking cool (which they do, IMO), if it is true carbon fiber it will stiffen the tail and help prevent pressure dents from your heel.

    I think there's better material to use than carbon fiber for tail patches. The reality is, ANY reinforcement in the tail can help prevent heel dents, even an extra glass patch, which has been done ever since surfboards have been made of foam and fiberglass. So why use something as expensive and stiff as carbon fiber? When I'm foiling a board, two things are most important... volume distribution and flex. I design HPSBs to flex like a bow... thin and flexible at the tips, and progressively thicker moving toward the thick point. This allows the tail of the board to flex in such a way that the tail rocker increases as greater load is applied with the back foot on a turn, then sort of "twangs" back coming out of the turn. Added flex during the turn, and the resulting increase in tail rocker tightens the radius of the turn, and helps carry speed through and out of the turn as the tail snaps back into normal position.

    So for me, tail patch material should be chosen based on it's ability to resist denting by acting as a bulker in the skin, but still be able to flex. Something light and hard, that has good directional flex and strength, good flex return, easy to cut (which carbon fiber is not), easy to laminate (which carbon fiber is not), not expensive (which carbon fiber is), and looks good.

    And it's coming soon to a surf shop near you!
     
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2012
  10. surftb15

    surftb15 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the post LBCrew.

    Like I said, I got 5 boards all with this CF. Would a small patch of CF even increase the stiffness that much? Its not like the entire tail is CF. Would I really notice a difference when surfing compared to a "non" CF Board?

    I will know soon. Heading to Biarritz next week.
     
  11. surftb15

    surftb15 Well-Known Member

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    Heres another board with the same CF patches. This is a 6'1 Pro board by Kech.
     
  12. surfsolo

    surfsolo Well-Known Member

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    aviso boards are made of full CF....they are mad expensive, and possibly worth it, but I hardly ever see a pro take one out.
     
  13. pyroarchy

    pyroarchy Well-Known Member

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    The cool thing about CF is that it can be made so that it withstands high forces from a certain direction, they really utilize this in high end racing cars.
     
  14. surftb15

    surftb15 Well-Known Member

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    more expensive then teh WaveJet?
     
  15. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

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    I saw a guy snap an Aviso in waist to chest high surf about 5 or 6 years ago. Shaped him a knock-off out of EPS and he's still riding it today.
     
  16. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

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    I love my Coil! Never had a board flex so predictably and have so much pop.
     
  17. a2tall

    a2tall Well-Known Member

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    What Mike Daniels is doing is completely different than just add a small carbon patch the the tail rails. he is using vac infusion with carbon on the whole rail and whole tail patch, also if i am correct it is all pre pregged cloth. But he doesn't allow anyone to know what exactly goes on in his shop so... Also with vac he is ensuring the tightest possible lam which means the most possible strength and flex. as well as light weight. this is much different than hand lamming a small carbon rail patch
     
  18. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    There is also a honeycomb style glass if you look really close in the center of the board where your front foot goes. I didn't notice it until I was inspecting my foot dents. BTW this board is still as white as it was brand new 2 years ago.
     
  19. surftb15

    surftb15 Well-Known Member

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    How $$ are these boards? This is something I want to try one day.
     
  20. a2tall

    a2tall Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure but i think he is using some sort of epoxy primer (which is white) which gives him the uv stability for longer whites.