Building the 6'6" Gang Buster. Roy Stuarts Parallel Profile construction method.

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Cuck Taylor, Jul 7, 2013.

  1. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    Steve I definitely wanna chat about rail shaping. That's my only problem with the parallel profile method, shaping end grain is a timely process so any ideas on making that aspect better is a plus. Roy seems to obviously have it down but his boards take hundreds of hours ! Can you post some pics of your rails on the 10-7 u made ? Thanks dude !
     
  2. Steve83

    Steve83 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2013
    I'll dig through the picture files and post some. I think I just have before and after shaping pics. Give me a call and I can talk you through in ten minutes what it would take me an hour to write.
     

  3. Steve83

    Steve83 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2013
  4. Steve83

    Steve83 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2013
    Pic

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  5. Steve83

    Steve83 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2013
    Pics

    image.jpg image.jpg pics of rails
     
  6. Steve83

    Steve83 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2013
    Pics

    Pictures of rails
     

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  7. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    That looks really good
     
  8. Roy Stuart

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    Jan 27, 2013
    Actually it's my standard 4 layer parallel profile method, not a variant.
     
  9. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    A nice looking concave Steve. The weight isn't a problem in itself provided that it doesn't reduce the buoyancy too much. With paulownia I can get a 12 foot board at 24 pounds if I want to go light.

    How thick is your planking?
     
  10. Steve83

    Steve83 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2013
    Hey Roy,

    Is there an ideal weight to length ratio you go for? I didn't put to much thought into controlling the weight during my build.
     
  11. Roy Stuart

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    Jan 27, 2013
    Some boards (like the Dragon 13'9" ) I like heavier and some lighter. If the design is good then weight isn't an issue unless it reduces the buoyancy too much, so it is related to board volume. I don't use a length to weight ratio. I've gone up to 70 pounds on the Dragon, and it handles everything I took it out in including triple overhead ledging reef waves, but it isn't for the faint of heart. The Dragon I built last year could have been made down to about 35 pounds but I beefed it up to 50. For boards up to 12 feet there's no harm in going as light as you can though.

    Malibu type shapes are very sensitive to weight changes because of the imbalance of the aft turning position, more balanced designs with a more central riding position handle weight better.

    If you want to go light a 1/4" deck and bottom with lightweight cloth under the deck ( I use nylon) with 3/8" frames at 4 inch centres and less rail blocking inside the board is the way to go. I've been using paulownia which makes life easy in this respect, but have used heavier woods in the past. Denser woods can be used with lighter scantlings ( thickness etc) but this does require accurate work.

    How much does your ten footer weigh?
     
  12. Steve83

    Steve83 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2013
    My 10 weighs in at 44 pounds. The only time I notice the weight is the carry from the car to the ocean. By the way I have been passing it around to friends lately and I get rave reviews. They absolutely love the board and the way it rides. The most recent holder reports 75 yard rides. Not bad for the surf out here latley. Also the board grabs more attention than a beached whale. My buddy says people see the board while driving by, stop get out and walk to the beach and ask " Holy **** is that a Roy Stuart surfboard!". Very cool!
     
  13. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    That's a nice sort of weight, I'm glad that she's riding well.
     
  14. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    Hey Roy, not sure if you were asking about the 6-6" PP which started this thread or steve's PP long board. I Used 5/16" for planking. I wanted robust but now that its reading 30 lbs I feel as though there are ways to make this build much lighter.
     
  15. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Sorry Charles I was replying to you, I just absent mindedly typed 'Steve'.

    What sort of cedar are you using?
     
  16. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    I'm using western red cedar. That's the lightest wood available to me. I considered clear pine but decided on cedar. All the guys at grain surfboards use cedar and rave about it. Grain is literally a mile from where I live / work
     
  17. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    image.jpg

    Here I'm still fairing the plan shape
     
  18. Steve83

    Steve83 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2013
    Shaping the rails was one of the most exciting part of the build for me. It's when it starts to look like a surfboard.

    I bet the guys at grain surf would get a kick out of seeing your board. Do you plan on showing them?
     
  19. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Hi Charles the board will lighten up quite a bit when the rails are shaped.
     
  20. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    I sort of know Mike levechia the owner at grain and told him I was planning to build a Roy board he seemed very interested. I just need to make them real nice so they grab attention