surfing banned!

I legitimately struggle to find words to express how vehemently opposed I am to culling sharks.

My own moral/ecological issues with it aside, what a stupid way to "solve the problem". If you kill off 90 sharks near Reunion, more will move in to take advantage of the newly available resources. Might take some time, as they're not fast reproducers, but it's not like they're going to hold a tiger and bull shark summit out there in the Indian Ocean and decide that due to the human attacks on their brethren, they will cede those lovely resource-laden warm waters to the humans and move elsewhere.

People are dumb.

 

Couldn't have said either sentiment better myself.

 

And I realized how my previous statement might've come off(about culling the human pop.), and I know there's no way to do it, I'm just hoping the planet does it for us.

 

It will be interesting how all this plays out on Cape Cod. The overpopulation of seals, as mentioned is causing at least two problems (excessive fish consumption & shark related beach closures) that are affecting the economy. Fisherman and those that depend on the tourist trade, such as town beach parking coffers, beach side restaurants and concessions, and perhaps even other establishments and hotels, etc., are losing revenue.

This loss of revenue will eventually have an effect of the tax dollars (federal through local), which may hopefully cause discussion and maybe a revision of the MMPA of 1972, although the genie is out of the bottle in the sense of what do you do about the thousands of seals on Monomoy and the neighboring beaches and waters?? Maybe herd them onto a troop transport to Greenland?? A conundrum to say the least.

At least Mary Lee has been staying South and out to sea lately..

 

Montsanto's trying to help with that! and we complain about them? lol

 

Now that's what I call optimism!

 

so up in MA... say they stop protecting the heck out of the seals... and the numbers decline... I say in the short turn.... potential for shark attacks go up. but over the long run shark populations would decrease to normal levels off that area of the atlantic.

but if they also start to cull, then the risk stays relative to the decrease of the seal population.

As for exactly how many sharks are out there... no one knows. there could be way more than conservationists claim or there could be less.

but we would be better off living in a moderation mindset when it comes to screwing around with nature.

 

Actually agree 110% with you on this.

Everybody doesn't get a trophy, kiddees, and the ocean is a a dangerous place. WTF, this generation of idiot humans is worse by every newborn, howling ball of fat defenseless pudge that gets dropped on the planet. Worse for the planet, worse for its own ind, much worse for other species.

The humans will eventually turn this planet into a wasteland. Fished out, lifeless oceans, denuded forests, destroyed soil where once was fertile land, and ghosts where once we shared the planet with creatures from songbirds to sharks.

We just f*** up everything we touch.

 

well, i dont mind the culling of tigers and bulls, especially bulls
we dont need to make them extinct, mind you

i want to kill my neighbor's pitbull too, im sure you all hate me

 

humans can't permanently hurt the earth. the short term, yes. if humans disappeared tomorrow the environment would correct itself and life would explode on earth.

what we're doing does suck, but ashes to ashes, dust to dust. eventually, after people, it will be like we were never here.

where's archy on this thread? maybe he can post some NWO and illuminati videos about world population reduction conspiracy theory videos. that might cheer you up!

 

i hope you realize Yankee, as a pavement-dwelling, american consumer you are the problem!!

 

beware the flying monkeys are going to take over the world, dont drink the water, and only two shakes after taking a leak or the government will arrest you.

 

Culling the sharks is a great idea. Hell, don't waste the fish. Turn it into cat food for shelter cats.
Banning surfing is bad though. I'm sure they'll allow it again once the cull is done right?

Clearly this area is a dangerous area for surfing. I'm sure if NJ had those kind of shark attack numbers then the posts would be a little different. haha

People come before animals and people should be able to enjoy the ocean without being chomped in half.

(Oh and I'm just putting my 2 cents in....no need for a silly debate that will go nowhere. Just look at my post history about sharks)

 

That's absolutely right. The inner city brahs at the YMCA I grew up running ball at each day made it clear the third shake would be classified in a whole other category. Is that to say the Master beta (as decided by rcarter's next poll) would have his hands full with the Federales?

 

The men in the grey suits are the locals. give them the respect they are due. If it is your time, it is your time. Don't live in fear. NO FEAR! Plus, it is always, always good to have the mermaids on your side. Just sayin! (Knock on wood).

 

Good post, brah. You know the skinny if you're on that side of the Sagamore. Down in Cape/New Bedford area, how closely do they monitor the fish workers' compliance with the '72 legislation? They're by law not even allowed to deter the seals from chasing their boats or catch areas nor are innkeepers and property owners allowed to dissuade sunbathing seals on their acreage. That's gotta be tough! I'd be surprised if there were full compliance by all further up the MA/NH coast as it's so critical to their livelihood and culture. ME seems to be, from what I see and hear, obedient with heavy regulations they are subject to with lobstering and I'd think everything's pretty tight up there in that case.

I've not read up on what the Capers are doing in battling the fish stock legislation but the locals up here are all over it. I see it from both sides - livelihood and how these folks in some towns have lived off the earth since Pilgrim days, and also my regard for the natural world and that we may not be ordering seafood by the end of our lifetime. Is the main issue other nations coming into the North Atlantic and poaching stock while overfishing?

 

Just kill the neighbor. They'll find a new home (not next to you) for the pit

 

Don't hate the pit, hate the fact they weren't trained properly. Those great pups are the ballz but many owners don't know how to train, maintain, keep content, and find contentment from their pit.

Umm...I guess pit owners are a lot like some surfboard owners.

 

You make soap and hand bags

 

I'm not schooled in all the issues facing fisherman other than the occasional report in the CC Times, etc., but seals are among the issues, probably not as significant as the foreign poachers you mentioned. I have a friend whose a commercial fisherman and I'll have to ask him what he thinks are the issues. The seals do have an impact more so on the sports fisherman along the shore. One other issue, is that the defecation of these numerous seals reeks havoc on the bacteria in the water. So in addition to beach closures due to shark sightings, there will be closings due to sanitary reasons. This, again, affects local area merchants & I sometimes wonder what these businesses must be thinking about this problem

In the beginning man was been charged with the responsibility of having dominion and being a good steward of the earth, and we have fallen way short. Unfortunately, at this juncture, there are no simple solutions, and as previously mentioned by MFitz, we can make a real mess out of things, even though the initial intentions were good (i.e., the MMPA '72). Perhaps human beings will eventually come up with some truly wise and effective solutions when the thinking is not clouded by greed or other impure motivations or agendas. We can only hope and in the meantime, surf with your head on a swivel!