Why does the northeast get better waves than the southeast?

Discussion in 'USA Mainland Surf Forum' started by Ecsrfr26, Aug 8, 2013.

  1. Ecsrfr26

    Ecsrfr26 Active Member

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    May 3, 2010
    Both the northeast and southeast have large continental shelves when you look at Google earth, or satellite view from Google maps (you can even check the depths), I've noticed beaches in the northeast, Maryland, New Jersey, New Hampshire, RI and the rest of New England etc. seem to get better, and bigger waves than the southeast (with the exception of Outer Banks, NC). Anyone know why? What's going on here?
     
  2. bassplayer

    bassplayer Well-Known Member

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    Oct 2, 2012
    Look up "swell window".
     

  3. Ecsrfr26

    Ecsrfr26 Active Member

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    May 3, 2010
    Yea I get that, but look at the swell window (or exposure) of most of New England, it doesn't even look that good. Take New Hampshire for example, from the map it seems it should never get waves, clearly that's not the case though, it gets REALLY good up there. Jersey I can kind of see why they get waves, maybe the ocean floor, or some sort of wind/weather pattern thing. I've also seen theory's about New England catching southern Hemisphere swells. If you draw a string around the glob you'll see what I mean. I seriously doubt that's it though.
     
  4. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    aside from the obvious continental shelf...silt could be adding to that by shallowing some southeast breaks even more

    btw, new smyrna, fl gets a pretty damn good and consistent wave, so the continental shelf theory looses a little cred
     
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  5. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    i beg to differ,did you not see the florida footage from hurricane sandy.we dont get waves like that in the northeast.the eastcoast holds to about 8ft before it starts closing out.average surf from a decent groundswell is head high to maybe a foot overhead(6ft),then u get a screamer coming off the coast and its a washing machine.all depends on the seafloor,winds,and tide.you can get an epic groundswell but without a good sandbar youll have 5ft shorebreak
     
  6. Sniffer

    Sniffer Well-Known Member

    Sep 20, 2010
    The Northeast beach breaks has much deeper water. The SE has generally long shallow sloping beach breaks. Here in Jersey especially Central & North Jersey, once you get into the water you go from knee high depth to over head water depth within a few feet. Much more water up here to play with.
     
  7. ClemsonSurf

    ClemsonSurf Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2007
    One reason is the continental shelf. The dark blue is very deep water, light blue is shallower. The SE has much more continental shelf than NE so the waves and wave energy have more time do dissipate. Capture.JPG
     
  8. surfthewall11

    surfthewall11 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 23, 2012
    NH has a deep canyon that goes from the shore in rye to Jeffreys ledge which allows energy to flow through
     
  9. surfthewall11

    surfthewall11 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 23, 2012
    Sorry man but the points and reefs of nh and maine can hold much larger than 8ft. I'v had some decent 12-13fters at points from nor easters
     
  10. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    It gets good everywhere at one point or another. Some of those spots you name that can hold really big swell during a hurricane or major low system usually don't come to life until something like that comes along. As far as consistency you won't find a more consistent spot than New Smyrna / Ponce Inlet or the OBX, that's well documented, but if you want heaving barrels than NJ is where it's at. We get barrels down this way too, but it isn't as frequent. Though some claim a lot of mushy waves around here, it's not always the case either, sure there are those days, but mostly I find on a decent day it's usually pretty walled up and punchy. Every dog has it's day though, so it really depends on weather systems, and that can change from year to year.
     
  11. Ecsrfr26

    Ecsrfr26 Active Member

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    May 3, 2010
    1.) Agreed, Northern New England can hold way more than 8ft, it gets huge up there. So can the Outer Banks.
    2.) I don't consider Florida the Southeast, Florida is much more consistent than the southeast, swell window/exposure from both directions +exposure to tropical activity would explain that. However it still lacks the max size and power of the northeast.
    3.) The continental shelf (south of the outer banks) has 2 levels, the primary one right off shore (shallow one), and the secondary one out further to sea which is deeper. From what I've read, it's the top level one that has the main impact on decreasing wave power, and the lower one is so deep the effects are very minimal. I can also sort of tell from living in several places on the east coast. East Florida gets pretty good waves and doesn't seem to be effected by it too much. (You can tell by looking at Reef Road Florida and the size it can produce) The shelf narrows as you go south in FL.
    4.) Really just talking about power and size of the waves, consistency and swell exposure aside.
     
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  12. McLovin

    McLovin Well-Known Member

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    Jun 27, 2010
    The older I get, the more and more I prefer consistency over size. For the kind of waves that I believe any East Coaster is used to surfing, it gets pretty consistent here in my little slice of heave in Northeast FL. We do not really get blocked from anything other than the Cape when there's a straight north swell. And even with that said, most of the time, the West-East jet stream during the winter passes either above or below where OBX sticks out so we still end up getting some.
     
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  13. Ecsrfr26

    Ecsrfr26 Active Member

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    May 3, 2010
    Yea I'd prefer consistency (and weather) over wave size as well, that's why I live in FL, really not where I'm going with this though.
     
  14. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    If you've ever surfed the out islands in the Bahamas, you can tell right away there is lots more power since there is no continental shelf. Reef Road does hold very big waves ( over 15-20 foot faces ) on those rare days, due to a trench combined with the shipping channel at the inlet, plus the proximity to the Gulfstream current and the extreme eastern lie of the break. But it is not nearly as powerful as waves half that size in the Pacific, or even the OBX. This is due to the continental shelf. I've surfed Rye on the Rocks in NH, that has more power at 8 feet than Reef Road does at 12 feet ( faces). There are a few places that hold well overhead surf in East Florida - check out Monster Hole, or RCs on big hurricane swells.
     
  15. Bill Cosby's nephew

    Bill Cosby's nephew Well-Known Member

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    Jun 21, 2013
    Not to mention the NE has extremely varied coastline geography. Look at Ruggle's in Rhode Island. You just don't see coastline like that in the Southeat/Mid-Atlantic. There are few good point breaks south of the Mason Dixon.
     
  16. bassplayer

    bassplayer Well-Known Member

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    Oct 2, 2012
    oh sorry. I thought you meant waves from the same swell.
     
  17. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
  18. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Is it just me or was that wave moving really slow? Or was it the video that made it appear that way? Still a huge wave, but it appears to be a slow roller
     
  19. Mad Atom

    Mad Atom Well-Known Member

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    Jul 16, 2013
    That's what she said.
     
  20. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    First warning sign of surf that is bigger than you think is the "time warp effect" my own term for the phenomena. If the surf looks like its moving really slow from the shore, the surf is much bigger and much further out than you think. Of course most of the time on the east coast if it looks mushy it probably is, lol.