Request that surf schools and shops renting boards provide info on etiquette

Discussion in 'Northeast' started by AggroNE, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. AggroNE

    AggroNE Well-Known Member

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    Aug 26, 2013
    I think the surfing community needs to reel in the shops renting boards and teaching lessons a bit because these morons pose a threat on crowded days. Some common concerns and requests:<br /><br /><br />Shops that provide people renting boards/suits need to also hand out etiquette sheets explaining the rules of the sea, AND work with towns/states to post signs at the beach. I like the ones with visual assistance to help renters unfamiliar with common terminology. Any of these are useful, but I prefer Manly's (NSW AUS) or Spunky's Surf Shop's sign in Costa Rica. Explain these rules to people when they are signing stuff out. There is limited coastline and when a swimmer gets tanked by a weekender on a Bic, thats whats going to get the local folks aggro and limit surfing areas, make 9-5 rules, etc. I understand that shops run a business and it could scare away potential renters---big picture though: losing surfing access is worse for business. <br /><br /><br />I especially like ESPECIALLY the \"Hold on to your board\" one. On numerous occasions I have had to instruct (read: scold) (read: intimidate) young girls in small groups that their boards were not accessories and that they were being a hazard. <br /><br /><br />Also, surf school instructors need to show a little respect. On a weak crowded weekend day this summer, I had a boy band looking surf school instructor push some dude in front of me and cut me off several times. Despite staring him down and eventually targeting his client until he moved, it would be nice if these folks had some etiquette of their own. I understand you have a commitment to your customer, but your customer doesn't need to be at the best spot on the bar, as he is riding straight in with little skill. He doesn't appreciate the patch of wave you are providing him, and he is going to become scared of me and my aggression towards him. Move down and free up my lefts.<br /><br />Surfer's surf shops (read: not touristy money makers) should really take the lead and be handing these sheets out.<br /><br /><br /><br /> sign1.jpg sign2.jpg sign3.jpg
     
  2. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    totally agree. I believe that years ago, an OCMD shop (Chauncey's I think) used to hand out fliers with any sold or rented board that outlined the rules.
     

  3. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Points well taken. And it will all get worse as 'the lifestyle activity' takes on more & more participants. As you alluded to with the girls & the surfboard-as-accessory.

    But what's the deal with the hieroglyphics in your OP?
     
  4. lisurfr

    lisurfr Active Member

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    Jun 10, 2013
    I agree. Surf schools are taking hold everywhere and it's only a matter of time before there is big time regualtion. I'm already hearing about it from upity town folk on the east end. They don't want the schools (or any surfer for that matter) at their public (but they think private) beach ....
     
  5. Paddington Jetty Bear

    Paddington Jetty Bear Well-Known Member

    Apr 23, 2013
    Dudes, there shouldn't be ANY surf schools.

    Surfing is learned through experience not something that should be taught.
     
  6. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Kind of agree, although i'm sure it's useful to some, I never attended one and learned to surf on my own. Now a days with the interweb and all the videos you can watch, there is really no need for it. Even without videos, your instincts should take over eventually if you do it enough and watch those around you and try to emulate what they are doing.
     
  7. superbust

    superbust Well-Known Member

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    Nov 2, 2008
    The 6th rule on the brown rule board is essential as long as I'm not riding one...
     
  8. Mad Atom

    Mad Atom Well-Known Member

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    Jul 16, 2013
    Surf lessons annoy me too, but this is a ridiculous statement. It's the same as saying there shouldn't be any ski instruction at the mountain. Plus, with surfing it's more of an introduction than repeated "lessons". I bet most people only take that first lesson.

    I take comfort in the fact that the lessons almost never take place during the good months. The summer is a huge CF with swimmers, etc., so best to get all the lessons in during that season.
     
  9. Paddington Jetty Bear

    Paddington Jetty Bear Well-Known Member

    Apr 23, 2013
    Totally not ridiculous. Totally not.

    Me don't give a f aboot skiing.

    Do not make analogies to other "sports." That's wrong, too. F other "sports," "activities," or "pastimes." Good Lord, is anyone hardcore anymore? You either surf and that's it, or move along cowboy. Enough of this crossbreeding sh!t.

    Surfing schools should be destroyed. That's not what this is aboot. Can't anyone in these younger generations figure anything out for themselves and not get a ribbon when they participate in something.

    At least the surf school in my area is held at the sh!ttiest spot on the island........
     
  10. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    +1 Let's keep the lineup as empty as possible. Besides, these surf school folks are just the ones that are part of the high turnover rate. That being said, they're probly a non issue during the winter or in anything over head high.
     
  11. Dyldo

    Dyldo Well-Known Member

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    Sep 3, 2013
    I completely agree with adding signs to beaches explaining the importance of etiquette. ESPECIALLY in summer months. Lets get a petition going. It's total logical and theres tons a good reason behind it, I don't see why we couldn't get something going to get signs up.
     
  12. kenshiles

    kenshiles Active Member

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    May 5, 2012
    I work at a surf school, we make sure to teach proper surf etiquette. We also stick to a beach that there are no other surfers around. I think rentals are a completely different issue and we try to explain the rules before anyone rents a board. Days when it is bigger than waist high we keep students on the inside the entire time. if its too big we dont give lessons. I think that its 50/50. Would you rather have someone out renting a soft top that has been explained the rules or someone who has never taken a lesson with a short board flailing around potentially injuring someone?
     
  13. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    I don't know how much signs would help honestly, a lot of people will choose not to read them, others will have trouble comprehending them, and some will read them and then proceed to ignore anything that they "learned". I say we get back to enforcing our lineups. Not in a d*ck way, but in a "hey buddy, you really ought not do that buddy" type of way. If you see a newb getting in the way, give them a helpful hand, it'll go a long way and if done correctly they'll respect you for it and will try harder to do what's right from then on out.
     
  14. scotty

    scotty Well-Known Member

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    Aug 26, 2008
    I used to give surf lessons myself a loong time ago, so i've been on both sides of it.

    to answer your question, it makes little difference. Someone renting a soft top whose taken a lesson or two and been explained the rules and someone who just grabs a shortboard without a lesson and flails are both likely to be hazardous if they are in a lineup. Parenting, mentoring by a more experienced surfer, lessons learned the hardway in the water, and attitude of the kid all matter a while lot more than a couple of surf lessons or a sign on the beach.
     
  15. Gfootr

    Gfootr Well-Known Member

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    Dec 26, 2009
    We were all morons at one time... just sayin.

    I'd rather give some pointers in the line up. I ask first, if they would like some guidance. Most people starting out appreciate it.
     
  16. ragdolling

    ragdolling Well-Known Member

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    Jul 30, 2010
    The word's surf and school just should not be put together. Like Peacenik Marines, or peanut butter and sardines.
     
  17. Dyldo

    Dyldo Well-Known Member

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    Sep 3, 2013
    That's where you go wrong with giving lessons. Teaching kids to stay inside on days when it's waist high or bigger is an overall bad idea. You're teaching these kids to sit on the inside, next thing I know I'm pumping down the line looking at the last section and all I see is a kid on a soft top paddling, nosediving, and I end up getting popes in the face by the board. If you're at a beach where there's no surfers let them go out and ride the actual waves. Teaching them to sit inside won't do any good.
     
  18. Mad Atom

    Mad Atom Well-Known Member

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    Jul 16, 2013
    Man, you guys are way harsh. Especially PJB with his many opinions :) These surf schools must be a far greater problem in your area than mine. Maybe that's obvious considering geography.

    While we're at it, let's just get rid of all schools. Education is like propaganda.

    Kidding aside, consider this: take those kids out of surf school and what would they be doing? Video games? TV? Eating junk food? I'll support ANYTHING that gets kids out of the house and active, assuming it's ethical.
     
  19. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    Surfing can't be taught. All schools are doing are crowding lineups with people who have no clue but think they do since they 'went to school'
     
  20. Lipsmacker

    Lipsmacker Well-Known Member

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    Sep 17, 2012
    If your older than ten and someone pushes you into a wave, you should be beaten. By that age you should be able to catch waves by yourself. If you cant, paddle harder.