I'm getting me some Obamacare

most people in the middle class will come to realize this.

 

Not one single government program is run efficiently examples include welfare, social security , post office so please explain to me why healthcare will be any different? Say no to socialism and embrace capitalism.

 

If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till its free!
I wish there were ratings and I could upvote your post BB$

 

we're the only industrialized country without universal healthcare. germans have had it for about 100 years i think. govt programs do suck but were stuck here for now

 

I know this isn't really the place for in-depth policy discussions, but it's worth noting that Obamacare isn't actually socialized medicine. Aside from changing some insurance regulations (like allowing children up to age 26 to be covered under their parents' plan), it created insurance "marketplaces" in each state where private, for-profit insurers (like Aetna and Blue Cross) can offer their plans for individuals to choose from. Obamacare also created a "mandate" that everyone buy at least a basic insurance plan (either through their work or if that's not an option their local "marketplace") and those who still choose not to get covered have to pay a tax penalty.

These ideas actually came from conservative/Republican/free-marketers back in the 90s, but they won't talk about now because they can't see past their own hatred for Obama.

 

billabongmoney - right on the money with that statement... this is going to be another gov shlt show. this is compounded due to the condition of the economy to begin with. all they needed to do was remove regulations on state-to-state healthcare insurance markets (increase competition) and cost would be driven down to the consumer. as with anything, increased competition leads to a better value for the consumer theyre competing for. this country is in deep deep financial trouble.

 

This is mostly true, however prices *should* also go down as participation increases--mainly greater participation by younger, healthy people.

One thing they didn't touch that they should have is states holding power over mandating what's in insurance plans. NC doesn't have much of a problem in that regard, but NY and NJ are horrendous--that's pretty much the main reason why insurance is so high in those states.

And don't get me wrong, I'm mostly for states holding rights to govern their citizens but this is a case where cronyism has made the system a complete clusterphvk.

 

WTF? My rates are going UP by 1600 per year. My neighbor who has 4 kids said his is going up by 1250 per year. I have only talked to one person ( recent college grad/single) who has said his rates are less. Everyone else is saying it is more.

 

Its a little un-nerving the government now owning our bodies...on the flipside it has worked well in Europe. My ex-wife was a limey and nothing but good to say about their healthcare over there.

 

My rates are the same. If yours are increasing, I would start questioning WTF your company is up to.

 

a good piece of healthcare reform legislation must have malpractice reform and NO exemptions.

 

Can we use alternative treatments like plant extracts and oils, acupuncture, eating real food, aroma therapy, massage therapy, meditation, yoga etc? these are tools of healthcare

big pharma, un-need surgeries, specialists, etc, these are tools of SICK CARE

odds are if you dont like antibiotics and vaccines, you will HATE obamacare

 

most health care orgs already off this type of care.

 

some do some don't, however, you can be penalized (I think) if you dont follow the protocol or regimen they prescribe
there is bad science (particularly vaccines) that dictate policy as it is gift to vaccine producers and big pharma

will we be forced to partake in things we dont like in order to 'stay covered'?

 

you dont want to start on vaccines trust me on that. you dont think obamacare is going to force you to do things you dont like do you??

 

the double negatives in your sentence confuse me as to what you are asking. I will try and answer: I think that Obama care will have requirements I dont think are in my best interest. and I get it. the V word makes the tinfoil hat crew come out

 

i was being sarcastic about the obamacare thing. i work in healthcare IT and we have been seeing directives from the feds for a few years now that point to rationing. the whole goal is to minimize care.