Yukon Men "wolf invasion"

The justifications for delisting are either based on bullsh!t reporting of aggression(see the story of the kid that got 'chased in NM), ranching money in political lobbys(wolve's #1 enemy from day one), or other nonsensical reasons(ie/ppl saying wolve's threaten #'s of elk and moose populations-a ludicrous idea, but one that has money backing it from org's like the NRA). Or there's Michigan, where the reason to re-open the hunt was based on fallacious testimony(admittedly after the fact), and the opposition was basically ignored. To compound the issue it's become politicized and a lot of theses idiots are taking out their frustrations toward the fed. on wolves.

Actual scientific research overwhelmingly supports the notion that wolves are a necessary component of these ecosystems, they help maintain healthy pops of elk, moose, etc...and that the situation is still too sensitive to allow a hunting equivalent of the spainish inquisition to begin.

*and pump, a fox???? I'll just bang a cpl pots and pans together and scare it away.

 

Chavez while I personally wouldn't shoot a coyote, their numbers are stable everywhere. And I'd much rather buy venison from local hunters then sh!tty meat at the store. The wolf situation is far different in my opinion...it took years to get their numbers up after the point of virtual extirpation, and if the people out west had their way, they'd bring us back to that point within the span of a couple years. Alot of this taking place on public lands, which in theory belong to all of us, but in reality belong to the f**ks that have turned much of it into grazing land for introduced domestic species.

 

Pigs are smarter than dogs. Dogs are nowhere near as smart as apes. It's not even close. Give me a break. I'm not for dog meat. lmao I'm just making the point about the hypocrisy. Oh and pigs can make good pets too. So no I did not have a petless childhood.

 

I don't like taking sides, but, apex predators are important ecologically, as much as we people don't like to believe in ecology and believe "everything is going to be okay." Human populations are pretty much colossal right now and we do have the ability to influence the landscape and make species go EXTINCT. Look up the North American Cheetah, North American Lion, East Coast Mountain Lion, Red Wolf, Tazmanian Tiger, Direwolf, Saber-tooth cat. All large predatory animals, all thought to leave the Earth forever by human hands.....CoExist

 

So if they eat the wolves/coyote....it's all good? Just be honest....you love canines more than other animals due to your personal relationship with your dog. Maybe if you had a personal pet relationship with a deer, pygmy goat, or a pig you would feel differently and become a vegetarian.

I have a problem with killing any animal(other than fish or insects) unless it's self defense/public safety. It's my personal belief. I don't push it on other people. I'm simply giving my opinion. Many deer hunters are in it for the kill and enjoy killing a defenseless sweet woodland creature. Hell game wardens arrest stupid rednecks for thrill killing deer out of the back of their pickup truck all the time. It's not simply a matter of getting food. They enjoy the hunt/kill. So all of this outrage over a wolf hunt seems absurd and hypocritical.

 

If you want to make sure a species doesn't go extinct it's all about bag limits. That's not really a valid ethical argument.

 

Wolves are endangered in much of the lower 48 due to the hunts. They are unable to spread out and hunt migration routes based on the millions of miles of barbed wire fencing running across much of the federal land out here. So they congregate, and kill everything... wolves are like dogs, often killing 5 times more than they will ever use. Hunts happen, species are wiped out.

up in the Yukon they dont have much of an issue with barbed wire, however population of humans in remote areas are on the rise. So naturally they are at danger. Yes the wolf has been hunted for all of man kind, the local people in these affected areas try to only kill alpha males to disperse the rest of the wolf pack. They do a show (which i saw yesterday as well) and exploit it as if the wolves are hunting the people, and the people are killing everything. It's interesting to say the least, and while I had the same response initially as the OP, I am learning to let go of what I see on the news and on TV.

Always portrayed as worse.. the only way to experience anything is the live it for real.

 

I stick to the eastern philosophy that all life is, in the end, futile. You see, the earth is going to dry up like an old lady one day and then everything still living here is going to dry up too.

I would say we are the planets only hope to spread our DNA into the universe. And let's be real, if we want to genetically engineer wolves to populate and harass our new planet when we find one, we could surely do that.

Even leaving this planet is futile. Eventually the atoms will all move so far apart that they stop moving, the universe will reach 0K and that's a wrap.

So don't take everything so seriously, in the end it's a bunch of thoughts in your brain which has a limited shelf life.

Life is futile and pointless, and what that means for all of us sentient aware beings made up of matter which is endlessly conserved but always changing to more stable forms as the energy from the big bang is dissipated... is this: enjoy your trip and don't do things you don't enjoy.

That's where western philosophy (judaeo-christian biblicism bs) get's it wrong. Jesus wants you to suffer so that you can enjoy some after life that almost surely can't exist in any way imaginable by a human being. Buddha wants you to enjoy this life brother cuz it's all you'll ever have.

So I say kill the wolves as I don't expect they are going to figure out how to travel at light speed through worm holes, and they'll be gone in a billion years anyway just like the rest of the sorry ass eat/defecate/die animals on this planet.

 

No, we're a species with a 90,000 year long carnivorous tradition. How can one ever expect every member of that species to diverge from that. We're meat eaters and hunting is what makes us human. Do I like dogs more than humans? You bet your ass, but the same could be said about many other species. I have a problem with waste, and I also have a problem with the Judeo-Christian inspired notion of anthropocentrism. I've always been passionate about this issue.

 

I would say, go up there and live for awhile and see if your mind changes.

 

It wouldn't.

 

So you value your dog over your mother/father? If you had a choice in a burning fire just to save one.....it would be the dog? Just saying bro. Not trying to be antagonistic with that. Just wondering.

 

Delusion abounds. Ironically the only reason you have the time to sit around on a computer and share these intimate thoughts you are so passionate about seldom seen is because the humans before you were way stronger of the mind and busted their asses to give you what you have.

It's insulting to think you have no respect for that, and yet that you still cling to society's juicy nip. Cut the tether wild man, Join the wolf pack.

 

So people who don't eat meat are not human? A huge percentage of India of vegetarian. Are they not part of the human race? We're omnivores. Not carnivores. Big difference. We can be completely healthy on a vegetarian diet.

 

Whoa bro don't go all sissy on me. I've known a few vegetarians and none of them could wrastle me to the ground, NOT ONE

 

That's a semantic and unrealistic line of logic.

No, it's cuz that's what I do while I'm at work...and to say I don't appreciate the sacrifices of those before me are drastic implications to take from what I said.

 

Yet again, capitalizing on a semantic point with little relevance to the matter at hand.

 

You didn't refute any of my argument, so I'm going to take that as a retreat and go tell my troops we won. We will settle in for a nice victory dinner including a fancy four course feast and hip music played by our very own orchestra band. The night will probably entail a good deal of drinking this years batch of barley wine so don't try any sneaky night time attacks like a dirty indian hippie slitting throats of sleeping gentry soldiers.

Thanks for understanding.

 

As I can see you are a naturalist, as am I. Although, the problem with our beliefs (and many others) is ignorance. It's pure ignorance to act as if the human species isn't kicking earth in the balls. Plastics, overfished oceans, overhunted lands, waste, and pure lazyness is what is effecting life at an alarming rate. The natives to the west had it right the whole time, living in harmony with what is around you, not being at the top of the food chain and ****ting on your food sources. Rather, being at the top of the food chain and sustaining your food sources. Thats a naturalist way... taking a backseat and letting uneducated people ruin everything for everyone else is not.

In 1854, one of the Natives to America (Cheif Seattle), wrote a letter to President Franklin Pierce that states
"Continue to contaminate your bed and soon you will one night suffocate in your own waste"