Who are you voting for? Read this first!

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by wallysurfr, Oct 31, 2008.

  1. ...LostInFlorida

    ...LostInFlorida Well-Known Member

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    Jun 3, 2008
    good deal... winter time is almost here.... that left off the pier will start working it's magic soon!
     
  2. LateTakeOff

    LateTakeOff Member

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    Oct 10, 2008
    Spread the wealth/waves

    You've worked extremely hard to pay your dues - surfing. You now have the strength, stamina and confidence to paddle out through thick overhead beachbreak barrels and score 25 - 30 waves in a three hour session. But you're getting way more than your share! While you're scoring a wave every six minutes, some other surfers who are not as strong or fit are having to wait 30 minutes or more between waves. Gee, wouldn't it be better for all if we spread the wealth/waves and awarded 20 of your hard-earned waves to your fellow surfers? Wouldn't that make it a better world? :confused:
     

  3. blue crush

    blue crush Well-Known Member

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    Jul 12, 2008
    bottom lines isssssss............

    VOTE MCCAINNNNNNNNN
    DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
     
  4. jak assateague

    jak assateague Active Member

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    Oct 5, 2008
    McCain, for one simple reason....

    DIVIDED GOVERNMENT

    GRIDLOCK RULES, GRIDLOCK MEANS THESE ***HOLES STAY THE EFF OUT OF MY LIFE!!!

    (that, plus Obammie's a friggin' terrorist...)
     
  5. jak assateague

    jak assateague Active Member

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    Oct 5, 2008
    Isn't that what Tom Morey was thinking????:cool:
    EARNING waves is SO overrated.....
     
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  6. jrobe057

    jrobe057 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 8, 2008
    Have you ever read any Marx or did you hear that on TV?
     
  7. Shakagrom

    Shakagrom Well-Known Member

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    Aug 22, 2008
    wow
    wait seriously?

    that was pretty stupid
     
  8. Db2k5

    Db2k5 Well-Known Member

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    Feb 17, 2007
    No, I heard it on the radio, then I actually read the communist manifesto, and who woulda thunk it, they were right!. Have you?

    "To each according to his needs, from each according to his needs"

    Please don't try to talk down to me either. Just because your a meatball and you don't get it, doesn't mean you need to speak with a condescending tone.
     
  9. Barells

    Barells Active Member

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    May 7, 2006
    do u think Bill Clinton was a socialist?

    Obama wants to restore the tax brackets back to where they were with Clinton.

    This is not a revolutionary idea or anything, rather an effort to restore tax and economic status to when the economy was doing very well.

    if you are a middle class republican, how do you see this as being bad for you?
     
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  10. Db2k5

    Db2k5 Well-Known Member

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    Feb 17, 2007
    Good question.

    I was 5 when clinton went into office, so I really don't remember what he did, but I have done my homework.

    He isn't exactly doing what Clinton did. True Clinton did cut taxes for low income families. He also cut them on small businesses, which Obama wants raise. Including a higher Income, and capital gains tax. Clinton raised tax on the highest 1.2% of taxpayers. Obama wants to go 5% paying 40% of taxes. Under the Obama plan, there are going to be something like 45% of Americans, won't pay taxes, period (forgive me for not having the exact percentage on that, can't remember it off hand).

    He also implemented spending restraints over several years. Obama has proposed billions, and billions of new spending. I have heard trillions, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

    That being said, in all actuality, if you step back and look at what Obama is doing, he is bribing you to vote for him. He is smart, he is ridiculously smart, that is a great strategy.

    Sooo, in turn this is how it affects me AND YOU.

    This is a consumer driven market, by taking money out of the pockets of the rich folk, it in turns mean less money is going into the market. Most middle class families, work in industries that depends on a good economy, excluding medical fields and law enforcements. Since the economy is already in the toilet, by taking more money out of consumer markets, it means jobs will be lost. Which means, a worse economy. Clinton created 22.7 million jobs. He didn't try to re-distribute wealth, he created it.

    That being said, this is how it affects me. I will be graduating with a degree in Architectural Engineering in the spring. I am working on my AKBD (associate kitchen and bath designer) as well. I work for a high end custom Millwork company as a designer. Most of our clients are in the wheelhouse Obama is targeting to tax the crap out of. Those clients not coming in and spending money, equals no job for me. The construction industry is already hurting terribly, these new taxes on businesses and high end clients is going to put the industry into a bigger recession.

    Socially, I didn't like Clinton, but it is really hard to argue that he did some good things fiscally. Obama on the other hand, is not like Clinton, and is going to put the country into a deeper whole, and in all honesty, I hope to God I am wrong, but I don't think I am. Okay, now that my long winded thesis is done, time to go wash the truck. Thanks.
     
  11. blue crush

    blue crush Well-Known Member

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    Jul 12, 2008
    noo not really.
     
  12. BeachCruiser01

    BeachCruiser01 Well-Known Member

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    Sep 14, 2007
    Rather interesting that the Clinton years are touted as being great when Obama is proposing the tax on small business go back to the Clinton rate.
    The entire economy is built on revolvoing debt, from top down and bottom up. If the lower classes don't have jobs or jobs that pay well enough, it doesnt matter if mr. rich guy wants to hire/make something if the poor masses can't afford to buy it.
     
  13. STASI

    STASI Active Member

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    May 22, 2006
    This country has gone too far right, in my opinion, so a lefty should center stuff out. Obama 08.
     
  14. GnarActually

    GnarActually Well-Known Member

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    Sep 30, 2007
    dude your way off man
     
  15. jak assateague

    jak assateague Active Member

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    Oct 5, 2008
    There's some BRILLIANT "logic"...:p:p:p
     
  16. Shakagrom

    Shakagrom Well-Known Member

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    Aug 22, 2008
    o wait let me think again...

    yep it still is effed up that you think a man running for friggin president of the United States of America would be Anti-American and a terrorist.

    A great man once said "The unexamined life is not worth living." So examine that quote that "Obama is a terrorist" and tell me straight up that that bullcrap is not a ****ing joke.
     
  17. mtd

    mtd Active Member

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    Jun 27, 2008
    Well, I say "an unlived life is not worth examining", so bring a swell and lets get on it!

    PS - just got back from a wonderful late-season inland sesh in Western MD on the Potomac and I'm stoked, so lets get this election over with and get back to surfing and arguing over fun stuff like surfing vs bodyboarding (apologies to KB4L, not to leave you out... jk...):)

    PPS - "Follow your bliss" - Joseph Campbell
     
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  18. jrobe057

    jrobe057 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 8, 2008
    Where did you get your idea that socialism won't work? You read the "Communist Manifesto" and know well about what Marx said about advanced capitalism. I hope you don't think that Russia or China are worthy examples to what Marx said that socialism would be. For one capitalism had to progress until it imploded and this can't happen in a feudal or agrarian country like Russia or China were at the time of their adoption of "socialism, and Marx also would have disdained their dictatorships and totalitarianism.

    McCain likes the bailout too, is he a Marxist? That is redistribution of wealth only it will be going to the banks. That is like socialism for rich people. The "Communist Manifesto" is about 30 pages out of thousands that Marx has written. Respectively, read a little more.
     
  19. JerseySurfRat89

    JerseySurfRat89 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 6, 2007
  20. sosodel

    sosodel Well-Known Member

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    Mar 6, 2008
    Hells yea Ron Paul for prez and Jack Beauchanan for vice.. Winning duo right there