I posted that pic of gaven to show that some world class surfers burn.plus 1 I think overall gaven charges way harder than shane.shanes good in small waves,gavin charges bigger stuff.i tend to flock to the lesser known brothers..i always liked bruce more than andy,doesn't mean they don't rip,i just like the underdogs who aren't in the spotlight. so next time someone thinks pot will ruin ur surfing,just watch gavin beschen charge pipe stoned