Roy's Gun project: Old Faithful 9'5" pintail

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Roy Stuart, Dec 31, 2014.

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  1. Jan 5, 2015 #101
    Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

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    Performance is always relative to a design goal.

    My boards have a simple design goal: to catch and just as importantly to make waves as efficiently and easily as possible. The turning capability is designed with this in mind, so is geared to turning while in trim in any situation. The boards carve turns very easily at any speed and adjust the line effortlessly without time consuming board walking. If you look at some video you'll see that when required the boards turn very smoothly and are agile, all this is done without fuss, so can fly under the radar to the casual observer.

    Astute observers like mark CJ Nelson can see it though, he commented recently on the video below that the board ( a 10-5) "turns amazingly well".

    During my last two sessions a couple of days ago several people amongst the 40 plus surfers in the water paddled up sepecifically to comment on how well the board goes, others to congratulate me on the article in the current tracks mag or on the recent big dollar sale. I get a lot of attention for the boards from other surfers in the physical world and it's almost all good.

    [video=youtube;cl6X8J59HLQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl6X8J59HLQ[/video]
     
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  3. Jan 5, 2015 #102
    trevolution

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    Roy for the record your my Halloween costume for 2015. Neon wetsuit, helmet, and gnomish bearded features. Will post pix.
     
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  5. Jan 5, 2015 #103
    trevolution

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    if is see someone on the straights or the olympics (only places with big waves in WA that i know of) on your board actually able to conquer the waves I have ridden there I will be very surprised. Good luck hiking in that 20 pound monster 2 miles down slippery wilderness trails to the wedge.
     
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  6. Jan 5, 2015 #104
    rcarter

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    Wow another 4 min of you doing little wiggle turns in trim on a longboard, yawn. And I see no evidence from that video that it turns any better than other 10'5" longboard I have seen.
     
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  7. Jan 5, 2015 #105
    trevolution

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    calling a pro surfer with a fair and unbiased assessment of your board, who was nice enough to try it out a kook ? Come on man. If your product works throw it into the free market and see how it sells. Don't talk it up, let it talk for itself through performance in the field by the consumer. Don't **** on the people testing it out for you, especially when they have clearly more ability than you in the water.


    Short answer:
    The more kookish in this situation to me is clearly the guy rocking the neon wetsuit, helmet, and overpriced boat, not one of the founders of the Tripple Crown.
     
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  8. Jan 5, 2015 #106
    Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

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    In the world of big wave surfing a 30 pound 9-5 is both short and light in weight.

    The boards are for a rider in WA already riding 10-6s which are heavier than that, and he describes 9-6 as the bare minimum in length.

    Here he is at Margaret River:

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    .. and on another wave in WA:

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  9. Jan 5, 2015 #107
    Roy Stuart

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    A new set of eyeballs for Mr Carter please.... if you can't see the difference then it's the eyeballs, the cranial software or the emotional impediment, or all three.
     
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  10. Jan 5, 2015 #108
    trevolution

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    ....and thats on your board?

    I wasn't debating the prowess of your customer in big waves. I was debating the fact that I doubt your board could make waves that big, and even if it did the size and weight constraints would make it impractical for big wave washington wilderness surfing which almost always requires hiking or a gnarly bumpy boat ride.

    Im not going to debate you any further because words are meaningless. Please post a picture or video of ANY of your boards performing the way you say they do in waves over 15 feet. If you provide the goods I will make sure to put a little more effort into my halloween costume this year.
     
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  11. Jan 5, 2015 #109
    Roy Stuart

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    Ex pro, not a fair assesment and yes a kook.

    Selling well as it happens.



    Talking it up has worked so far.




    Yep that too... Rarick 'aint a consumer he's a competitor, not unbiased and not a customer.

    I don't, he doesn't, and the sh7tting was done ny him.

    Lol trying to pull rank while invoking fashion... no good.

    the kook is the one falling off... that's him.
     
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  12. Jan 5, 2015 #110
    BassMon

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    I think your right. Totally flew under the radar. Iv watched some of your videos, like two of them. This was one of them I think. I wasn't exactly watching closely, I watched them way before this thread. After watching this time I see it. Board does make adjustments in trim/move up and down the face pretty smoothly/effortlessly. Definitely seem to perform well for a fast yet mellow smooth ride.

    1) I don't think a board like that cuts back to well. Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't build them with cut backs in mind right? With words like responsiveness and performance used I think that's what people expect to see (including myself at first). Not saying that's a bad thing, but like all4blues said, I think that's where all the hate stems from. I know you don't care but just saying.

    2) Can you explain the extreme rocker on your boards? I'm sure this isn't the reason for it but it seems to me that it plays a role in the lack of board walking.

    3) I think the lack of board walking is what made the boards look awkward to me at first. I don't think walking the board is something that should be eliminated but that's just personal opinion. With that being said I would totally try a board like that out if I had the chance.
     
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  13. Jan 5, 2015 #111
    trevolution

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    you were all over the comments section of that video ****ting on him man!
     
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  14. Jan 5, 2015 #112
    trevolution

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    Whatever Roy I wish you luck on your projects, and if I see two giant halves of a tooth pick wash up on the shore when im surfing washington this year, i'll make sure to fish out the dead body that was riding it before taking one of them home to make a coffee table,


    or better yet a realistic prop to use in my halloween costume!
     
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  15. Jan 5, 2015 #113
    Towelie

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    But can you hang ten on one?
     
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  16. Jan 5, 2015 #114
    Roy Stuart

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    Cheers

    Yes cutting back isn't the first priority, since it's effectively a stalling move which can be achieved by stalling it's not vital to slash big carving cutties. Nevertheless cutbacks work ok in the functional sense.

    rockers are only extreme in the nose and only on some of the boards.

    It's kind of the other way around, because we don't design with noseriding in mind we have the luxury of being able to use more nose rocker. They can and have been done with less though.
     
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  17. Jan 5, 2015 #115
    all4blues

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    So is the argument here that your boards respond and turn surprisingly well for the giant cruisers that they are, or that they respond and turn well in general? If your saying your 10'5 has an amazing performance capacity, for a 10'5, then I guess that's 1 thing, cause there really are no performance elements to a board that size, and it's still a sluggish log that's just gonna go straight. But, its like saying your school bus parallel parks surprisingly well. Well that's great, but doesn't translate to anything really. I think the boards you make are suited for your idea of surfing and that's great, most people/shapers follow that same path. Just don't try to keep passing them off as something they're not... i.e. performance boards.
     
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  18. Jan 6, 2015 #116
    Roy Stuart

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    The reason why I posted the pictures was to show that in spite of what you said the ridfer is using boards longer and heavier than the one of mine which you said was too long and heavy.. and he's doing it on big waves in W.A.

    You also say that there are only two places where big waves can be ridden in W.A. but the waves shown above at Margaret river look pretty big to me, and you didn't mention Cow Bombie.


    If that's the case then I have no idea what your comment above means.
     
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  19. Jan 6, 2015 #117
    Roy Stuart

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    Performance relates to the execution of given design goals, it's not a particular surfing style.

    When you realise that your comments will probably become more sensible.
     
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  20. Jan 6, 2015 #118
    seldom seen

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    Realise
     
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  21. Jan 6, 2015 #119
    kidrock

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    centsable
     
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  22. Jan 6, 2015 #120
    rcarter

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    Wow A4B has been nothing but nice to you asshat then you go and be your usual sh!theaded self to him like that? What the fuk is wrong with you?
     
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