Has anyone lightly glassed their entire board to make it last longer?

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by JohnnyCornstarch, Sep 8, 2015.

  1. JohnnyCornstarch

    JohnnyCornstarch Well-Known Member

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    Feb 24, 2015
    This is probably the kookiest question ever presented on here but I just dropped a lot of cash on a varial foam surboard and it already has a ding in it. I asked for the foam because it's more durable/lighter/floatier, but I failed to ask for a little extra res to help stop minor dings and wear. I don't plan on this board being a thow-away board so I'm trying to make it last as long as possible. I realize now the shaper did a really light job to keep the board...light, but this has left it extra vulnerable.

    Literally any wrong movement can cause a ding on this thing and I don't wanna walk on egg shells trying to preserve it, so I ask the incredibly intelligent SI community on some feedback for some things I can do to preserve my baby. And if nothings possible, then what kind of res job should I ask for on my next board if I want it to last longer and don't mind it being a little heavier?

    *Please no response from Barry
     
  2. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    IMO its not practical or sensible to add additional glass to make the board stronger. Its not impossible, it just doesn't make any sense to do it because of the amount of effort involved, and the effect it would have on performance/flex. the fact that the time to add strength is when the board is initially glassed, not on the outside of the glass job. That ship sailed. Embrace your light board, but just dont embrace it too forcefully!

    its not much, but focus on what you can do:

    boardbag at all times
    keep out of sun
    traction pad
    dings properly repaired immediately
    make sure your leash loop is nice and short so the rail saver actually works
    don't grind off your old wax in the cold every couple months with one of those rigid wax combs

    be careful and i'm sure the board will last at least a few months.

    On your next board you could ask for epoxy glassing, or just slightly heavier glassing. BTW, its not called a "res job"
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2015

  3. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Oh man, if you only asked this question before ordering, we could of saved you a lot of heart ache. Good luck keeping her safe dude.
     
  4. tonylamont

    tonylamont Well-Known Member

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    Jul 8, 2011
    Any board you order with a heavy glass job is likely to be a total dog, and every board that you wish had heavier glass is going to be pure magic for its all-too-brief lifespan. That's just the way these things work!
     
  5. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
  6. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Short answer... No.

    Long answer... When was it glassed? Epoxy needs a longer cure time to reach full strength than PE. Typically, epoxy won't reach full strength for 6 weeks at ambient room temperatures. If it's post-cured at the factory, which it probably is not, it's delivered at pretty much full cure.

    Other than that, you should ask what the glass schedule is... if it is 4/4+4 over Varial foam, it should be stronger than PU/PE simply because the core material itself is stronger than PU or 2 lb. EPS (or at least that's what they say). But it's also stiffer, so glassing it heavier (6/4 or 6/6 deck and 6 bottom) would likely make it stiff if shaped to the same dims as 4 all around. I build EPS boards with 6 all around and they're VERY durable, but I make changes to the shape to keep it lively in terms of flex. I've also had good success with 6/4 (6oz E and 4oz S) deck and 4oz S bottom stringerless EPS, which builds a very strong board with great flex.
     
  7. JohnnyCornstarch

    JohnnyCornstarch Well-Known Member

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    Feb 24, 2015
    Not sure when it was glassed, took them six weeks to get it to me total so I'm guessing only about a week or two ago. If that is the case then it makes sense since the shapers wife (who helps run the business) was telling me to let it sit for a while, of course I disregarded this unfortunately. The board is definitely more durable than a normal pu I can already tell that based on my previous "high-performance throw-away", but I guess I was expecting something that'd last me a couple years, not a couple of months.

    With that being said, I can't complain with the performance of the varial foam, had a fun session on some long-period Fred/ne combo swell this morning and the thing kicked ass. Very buoyant and fast, feels alive under your feet.

    Guess I'll be staying extra careful for now on... Wil post pics later of this beaut to those that give a ****.

    Thanks fellas, good feedback.
     
  8. Mr.Belmar

    Mr.Belmar Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2010
    Like LBCrew said- if it's a newer board it needs time to reach a full cure- epoxy or resin. So your saying its a week or two old?? Set that thing in your room for like 2 months before you surf it! Really- let it cure well! You will end up with not just dings- but major heel marks and pressure dings from popping up and maybe even where you grip the rails to duck dive on bigger days...

    It might have a light glass job- but being that it's still green and new only make it worse. So fix the ding and hang it on the wall!

    Oh yea- get a board bag for traveling to and from the beach- even if it's only a few blocks.
     
  9. surfmyass

    surfmyass Active Member

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    Sep 5, 2015
    Don't listen to these guys. With the price of boards of course you want to make it last longer. Here's how... get some 40-grit wet sand paper and a belt sander. lightly sand the entire board. This is so the resin, used in the next step, will adhere properly. Then mix up some West Systems 2-part epoxy resin. The epoxy resin will adhere to polyester resin, but not the other way around. Now, with a three inch natural hair paintbrush, paint the entire board with resin. Be sure to use light strokes, wiping the excess resin off on the paint tray in order to use the minimum amount of resin possible. Then, using a piece of rope through the lease plug, hang it in your garage and let it cure for a few days. Wha la... a super durable board that should last a lifetime.
     
  10. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Yes, I have, but....you do not want a response from me, so go step off.....
     
  11. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Don't do this... I hope you have enough knowledge of surfboard construction to know why.
     
  12. surfmyass

    surfmyass Active Member

    28
    Sep 5, 2015
    Just do it!
     
  13. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Belt sander? West Systems Epoxy? 40 grit wet sandpaper?

    Oh... Now I get it... it's a joke!
     
  14. Mr.Belmar

    Mr.Belmar Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2010
    Had a surfer friend who had a longboard reglassed by a glasser- since the board dings easy and was old.

    Now he says that the board is never the same- it's super heavy and doesn't ding, but rides like junk.

    Your problem is that the board is too new and you gotta let the resin cure longer
     
  15. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    I glassed over an existing glass job once and all I can say is that board was a dog forever after. It weighed a ton and rode like an ironing board. Before this mistake it was my favorite.
     
  16. JohnnyCornstarch

    JohnnyCornstarch Well-Known Member

    571
    Feb 24, 2015
    Already sanded the entire board, moving to step two for re-glassification process, but this time I cut the blank in half cuz i was thinking collapsable board=betterfortravel=no bag fees.
     
  17. Mr.Belmar

    Mr.Belmar Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2010
  18. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    for some reason, even Matt Biolos thought the Lost couch potato should be glassed heavy. Wasn't a complete dog, but, by the time I could paddle that thing to get up on a plane, the wave was frequently already gone...never got a ding, though. I now always err on the side of lighter (although too light is almost as bad). Get the balance right.

    [video=youtube;aWU7WwqiCRQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWU7WwqiCRQ[/video]
     
  19. DosXX

    DosXX Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2013
    Flex Seal. It's like "Hoover Dam in a can!!
    [video=youtube;BPPymO-yq8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPymO-yq8Y[/video]
     
  20. surfmyass

    surfmyass Active Member

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    Sep 5, 2015
    Perfect. Don't forget to drill some 1/4" holes about 10" deep into each half of the board. This way you can bring along a coupla' lengths of rebar to insert into the holes and give the board it's proper torsional rigidity when surfing it.