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Must be a NJ issue. Both my parents are educators. Their pension isn't worth much. Here in SC (my parents are in WV), the state is only putting in 10.45% of the salary. The employee contributes 7%. Granted, that might seem like a good plan (nowhere near excessive), but benefits are one of the few things that draw people into teaching. The pay sucks. If benefits and pay sucked, you would have no teachers. I also can't speak for NJ tenure. In the states I am familiar with, the teacher can and will be fired if state testing scores continually come in low. They are given a few opportunities to improve things, which is a bit unlike the commercial job world. Then again, they make less than any number of professions. I am all for stricter regulations and less tenure, if we agree to pay them much more.

 

this was funny

 

Brew- I live in VA on near VA/NC border and have lived in both states...not sure I could ever live in the dirty jerz...JK fellas!

I am totally on board with your last comment. They should be paid more based on performance. I think we can draw a distinct line between education/safety gov't jobs and all of the rest (although the tenure issue is a biggie).

 

paying teachers for student performance is retarded

is the teacher feeding that kid
making sure they get to bed?
making sure they stay off the drugs?

how is a teacher supposed to compete with that sh!lyfe?

gtfo

 

All you guys that think you have been so well educated by your teachers--you haven't. I mean, after all, I come on here call you all morons, and before you know it, most of you are calling others morons as well. You have been reeled in. Had you all been as "well educated" by all those fabulous teachers you crow about....you would have known you are being led by your snotty nose.
LOL

 

I would agree with you if you had said 60% good, 40% bad--that is more a reality in the USA Public School System, ALL of which, are nothing more than a tax subsidized "baby-sitting" organization, so people can go to work. Learning is only incidental, and accidental as well.

 

I'm guessing salarys and pension/benefit packages vary greatly from state to state. Hell, in SC they vary county to county so it's hard to make a blanket statement on the subject.
Some of the best teachers I ever known left because of the frustration of dealing with the bureaucracy involved in the ed. system. Schools needs also vary from school to school so once again there is no one way to deal with all these issues. Because we are such a litigious society the schools are not allowed to use common sense in many situations which ends up costing all of us in the long run.

 

fu*k all children and parents who rely on the public education system. it's not my responsibility to provide your womb fruit with education.

all children who can't afford a charity sponsored/privately paid school should be assigned to work at the age of 7-8. coal mines, trash pick ups, i don't give a fu*k, put them to work. in practice, this will ensure that the majority are ignorant, illiterate, etc, but it's actually the perfect system to find those who will thrive in our capitalist society.

the kids who are smart enough to realize that they're going to get fu*ked over into a lifetime of hard labor will get out of their work programs. they will find a way to go to school. our labor crisis will be solved and we'll have fewer askholes in our country of 300+ million who have an entitlement mentality.

 

Once again in SC schools vary greatly in performance. Like MIS said some have a lot to deal with outside of what schools should have to. There is no easy answer and that is why I commend those who make the effort to do their best regardless.

 

Maybe we should just eat the dumb ones?
I think barry just possessed metard thru the interwebs. I'm skeered.

 

State test scores are averaged, so it isn't about what a single student is doing. They get several chances (and different groups of kids) to prove themselves. Honestly, deep down inside, I am against standardized testing. I prefer the option of monitoring teachers from time to time, in their own classroom. That is the only way to see how they interact and actually teach. But this gets back to the funding issue. Most school districts can't afford to regularly have teachers monitored. When I was in school (long ago), I think I saw a monitor sit through class like two days out of the year. I am not sure how that is enough to really score a teacher.

 

We understand what you got out of school. However, don't speak for the rest of us. My schooling was lacking in the math department, which hurt me in college. However, they were great in English, biology, chemistry, and music. I retained much of what I learned in all those classes, and I think it gave me an advantage in the working world. As for your percentages, even 40% bad teachers doesn't equate to "most teachers". Maybe you just live in a crappy school district, where school funding has been cut down to nothing.

 

o barry

You give every dolt out there hope with your success. Edumacation is over rated.<grin>

 

Oh, Make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Parenting is definitely the biggest piece to the puzzle...no doubt! But if you have two teachers dealing with the same Sh!lyfe students and on average one class out performs the other, then there is a problem.

You can't just pay someone for a job and not evaluate them and that is basically the system in most school systems all across the country.

How then would you determine pay for a teacher? Just give all tenure and say let's see which students stick? I don;'t know man...seems like there is a better way...

 

As far as the quality of teachers are concerned, you get what you pay for. Fugging Repugs have been picking at the scab of our educational structure, it just a fester pile of puss. They want to privatize it, so only the rich get good education and they can go back to the days before child labor laws.

 

And it doesn't give you the right to have people take MY MONEY and give it to someone else's pension. Let people who believe in using taxes for other people's pensions pay. It should be a vote and people who support it can pay the pensions. Don't steal money from people and give it to state workers.

 

this is dumber than dog ****, have you ever been in a classroom?
some whole districts underperform and whole classrooms can have inner city degenerates creating a low average

and just because you are homogenizing low and high doesn't make it right either



logic FAIL

 

better way yes, but dont allow factors out of ones control to dictate their evaluations, thats just dumb

its like if brew was making cars with substandard parts he had no control over (the quality of the steel, welds, fasteners etc) and then they blamed his designs when it crashes

 

not sure I follow the logic Mis...car maker bears some responsibility in the quality of their product no? I you saying that since the teacher can't control the home life then they should not try as hard as the teacher that actually gives a shyt about the outcome

If two teachers are dealing with the same factors that are out their control and one has higher AVERAGE test scores, I would think the other would need to be addressed (not necessarily with lower pay....while the above average teacher should get a bump in pay)? It is factual that some teachers are better than others right?

So what's the better way? How do you deal with complacency and a lack of drive to be above average versus the over achiever? Do nothing? Some teachers go out of their way to put in the extra effort to help the ones who need it most and that yields better results. They should be rewarded IMO....it would raise the bar I think.