It's Been Awhile Wayne

Given enough time, it will. Scientism is folklore, nothing more. Pure BS.
Keep in mind, science will only explain those things to which we apply it. It requires human direction.

 

It does allow. And every time it does, it disproves the supernatural for what it is---rubbish.

 

as Thomas Jefferson once construed the first amendment of the U.S. constitution " Seperation of Church and Surf"

 

Countless people died last year, and none rose up out of their graves. Does this prove the it is impossible for a dead man to walk out of the tomb?

Being an engineer, I rely on and apply science daily. Science would tell us that since we've observed these numerous deaths without resurrection, that it is not possible (or perhaps a better term "probable). However, science does not have the means to determine what may have happened 2000 years ago. It relies on the testimony of witnesses, if available.

What if Brew and I saw Barry run a red light, and without the existence of a traffic cam, this occurrence would rely on the testimony of both Brew and myself. This would not be scientific evidence, but the argument (as to whether Barry is in violation) would rely on legal or juridical means.

Thus, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, which is the cornerstone/foundation of the Christian faith, may defy "observed science", since we don't have current evidence of such occurrences.

The argument relies on the testimony of witnesses. There was once a professor, Simon Greenleaf, a skeptic, who was a renowned expert in the field of evidence (author of "Treatise on the Law of Evidence"). Greenleaf, was one of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School. He originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He was certain that a careful examination of the internal witness of the Gospels would dispel all the myths at the heart of Christianity. But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen.

In any event, there is a need in all disciplines "to suspend prejudices and to be open to conviction, to follow the truth wherever it may lead us."

As far as life on other planets and all that, it is irrelevant to my beliefs. Christ's death for our sins and resurrection for our eternal life. Without that my faith is in zero and I may be the biggest fool you know.

But, dang, I love clean and glassy wave faces, especially rights!

 

when something is revealed to you, its a revelation

when you tell someone else about what you saw, now its hearsay

now put that in a 2000+ year old book that was copied from copies of copies ad infinitum and then you get a trainwreck used as an excuse for colonialism, crusades and other atrocities.

/end this thread and lock it

 

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These are some most unfortunate applications. However, would any one care to speak about the unfortunate applications of evolution? (i.e., Hitler's racial views and other racial cruelties (World's Fair 1904)).

The point is, unfortunate applications do not necessarily invalidate.

 

right ccdog, so ditch the dross and move on with the cream

loving everyone as your brother is all that matters
the myths and crap can stay in the stone age
I mean seriously, its SO BAD...not only does it stop us from moving in the right direction as a science based society, but Jesus has been the biggest c0ckblock in history.

and very good World B

 

^+1 mis

 

I wouldn't blame Jesus. It's the tendency of humans to selfishly pursue power, pleasure, money, etc. that hijacks and derails even the best ideas, intentions and systems.

Still love yo bro' is a very good start.

 

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Also Devo

Just trollin'

 

Hitler is a bad example. While he believed in some skewed form of evolution, he didn't accept the scientific communities theories. He was also known to dabble in the world of religion and the occult. The theory of evolution itself is a great explanation of why we are here (tested and proven), and should help remind us all that we came from the same place. The world would be a more peaceful place if we all understood and accepted that. Unfortunately, we have the opposite situation, fuel by Christian and Muslim extremism. You may be a little removed from it, up there in the NE. However, I see it every day in the south. Many "Christians" down here hate Muslims for being Muslims, much like many Muslim extremists hate Christians for being Christians. Then you have us, the unaffiliated, scratching our heads asking WTF is wrong with all these people.

 

What if those tendencies were what lead to the current version of the bible. Many good concepts, ruined by literal translations of man.

 

Thank god for those tiny little bikinis all the young ladies been wearin' lately.

To be completely honest, I fear Poseidon in a very religious way. For example, when I curse while I'm in the water, I make sure that I'm cursing my own surf shortcomings. It sure wasn't the ocean's fault that I wasn't able to make it past that section.

But yeah, christianity to me is those dead eyed kids I went to grade school with, that I could get a rise out of by saying "I eat babies".

I live by an actual moral code, doing the right thing, treat other how you would want to be treated. I have no need to cleanse my spirit during the my few hours away from the office.

 

I would suggest that it is not necessarily the "translations", but interpretation (which may be what you mean). The translations that exist vary because they use different strategies to accommodate language differences to get to say, English, from the original "street" Greek and Hebrew. Some try to go word for word, others thought for thought, to try to better accommodate idioms and figures of speech. In general, the meaning is similar and should not yield to significant "doctrinal" differences.

That being said, to understand and apply any document, one must read it & make observations (what does it say), interpret (what does it mean), and then apply it to the situation at hand if it is appropriate. The interpretation of any document relies on establishing the context (historical, literary, grammatical, societal, etc.). The problem is that there has been faulty interpretation, sometimes for lack of proper rigor, and other times an agenda. This leads to poor and sometimes tragic application.

But the Bible isn't the only document that suffers from this. For example, look at our own constitution, laws, etc., that are constantly being "interpreted" according to ones political views or agenda. Volumes are written to grasp the intent of the founders.

So, yeah, your point is well taken, many good concepts ruined by faulty interpretations and applications of man.

 

My point (WRT Hitler) is still valid, given that I conject that the cited ills are executed by those with "skewed" view, be it Hitler or the Crusades, etc., or the "Christians" that hate Muslims.

There may be Christians that disagree with some of the tenets of Islam, however, that should not give way to loving them (Muslims) as the overarching theme of their faith should dictate.

 

Meth and opiates are also spreading like wildfire in FL so I wouldn't brag about anything spreading like wildfire in FL. Also mythological beings were created to control the sheep of society...Just saying.

 

Oh yeah, love muslims as they blow you to pieces.
Now, you see, that is where religion (subjective thinking) gets you arse in deep trouble (death), whereas, objective thinking (science) says, no way...blow the assholes to "kingdom come" and let them have their 73 virgins.
This is why, all religion is for IDIOTS. It always ends up getting you in trouble; it "saves" no one.
Believe me....I know "the way", and it isn't with religion, spirituality, belief in gods, spooks, or other hallucinations.

 

O Barry. You are blowing up a strawman. I was speaking against hating them simply because they are "muslim" is wrong. Now, if they are terrorists, it is appropriate to protect oneself and community interests and prosecute to the extent of the law. Perhaps you are allowing your personal hatred of religion to cloud your self perceived (or maybe coronated) objective thinking