More Surfers Likely Killed In Bung-hole of the World: Mexico

Also if they are so for America and the American dream, when don't they learn to speak English and try to fit into the American way of life. Instead they fly their Mexican flag while collection American welfare and free housing.

 

Well Liam, you certainly bring up some good points...the same points that seem to be consistently ignored or overlooked by "immigration advocates".

I believe that aside from all the hoopla and hysterics, the underlying factor is that our country has a real problem with illegal immigration from ALL countries. "Immigration Reform" is a running joke, because neither political party has honestly enforced the statutes that were originally written to combat w our current issues (Immigration Reform & Controy Act of 1986, Reagan's Amnesty). The laws were originally written to take away the work incentives that compromise illegal immigration, with fines and jail time statutes for employers who "knowingly" hire illegals lol. Maybe we should actually enforce the existing laws before reforming them? Wow what a concept.

And all those who received Amnesty in those heady days? Roughly 10% of those illegals became US Citizens.

So please spare Americans the whole "Pathway to Citizenship" garbage. Illegals are generally not interested in US citizenship...as a whole, their main interest has always been basic legalization.

If you're curious about the legalization (Permanent Resident) process, I'll be more than happy to share what I know.

 

good to see we are on the same page.theres bad apples everywhere.i work with a lot of Spanish people too,most are cool,some are douches,but youd be surprised how pissed off a Peruvian or a Colombian gets if u try to call them a Mexican or a Puerto rican lol.

lol really non relevant here,but I was talking to my buddy today whos a pipewelder for a small company,and I was asking so who buys these pipes u guys make.and he said mostly Saudi arabia,and said they did a lot of business with the bin laden family(theres like 40 or more of them,not just Osama)..anyway he was telling me how he seen a vacation photo from Sweden when Osama was 15yrs old,he had an afro and a wool sweater lol.idk I just found that hilarious,and its all true

 

I will happily pay 8% more in taxes to have a sticker on my license that says "NOT AN A$$HOLE" and have that money go to helping immigrants. Absolutely.

 

See my previous post. I would absolutely pay more in taxes if it went to helping those in need. Because Im not a selfish piece of ****.

Thats an ignorant talking point. Learn to speak English. Well maybe after they work 50 hours a week landscaping your neighborhood or cleaning your motels there isn't an English class available.

 

The misconception is that they work. Several are hard workers but a large majority collect government welfare on behalf of their anchor babies. You think it's right that ILLEGAL (again people who broke federal law, not like our ancestors who came here LEGALLY) aliens can collect governemtn subsidies reserved and paid for by US citizens? Wow, how old are you?

They bring nothing of value. I mow my own grass and clean my own home. Send them home. Maybe then people in this country wouldn't be so ****ing lazy.

 

cool you pay 8% more in taxes then you do now and my current taxes are reduced by 8% since I'm paying for their free healthcare, education, housing, jail, etc.

This is an interesting link. They are harmless, lmao. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html

12-15 murders by illegals a day is a little alarming especially since they shouldn't be here.

 

This is one of those treads I bailed on then wait a minute look, 68 pgs that I didn't read (except for the last two posts)

Anyway, thought y'all might preciate dis

[video=youtube_share;RDrfE9I8_hs]http://youtu.be/RDrfE9I8_hs[/video]

 

U2B,

It's become painfully apparent that you have no clue nor basis in fact for what is really going on with immigrants, nor do you care to delineate whether those immigrants are illegal or not. Your argument is based solely on everything you have read from media sources that fit your agenda. If you really believe that even 1% of the illegal immigrants are coming to this country to evade cartel activity, then you obviously would clearly believe anything that is cherry-picked for your "information" and entertainment.

You live in the Northeast, and have zero experience living on the southern border. You have never worked for any governmental agency dealing with immigration. You have never done extensive research as an Intelligence Analyst and given daily reports on trends and occurrences to people who do this for a living all the way up to Washington, D.C. You have no knowledge or experience with Immigration Law, much less taught the subject to hundreds of students.

As a matter of fact, it appears that your knowledge and experience is made up completely of empirical data, which basically consists of living across the hall from a group of Mexicans that made you take a cold shower.

Wow, I guess I better pull my shingle off my wall...Dr. SabeTodos just walked in the consortium and gave me a propre beatdown, lol.

Judging from the harsh language in your response, even the dumbest observer can plainly see that you are one of those guys that thinks that everyone in Alabama is a racist, and that everyone that doesn't like ILLEGAL immigration (why can't you make that distinction?) is some kind of "A$$HOLE". Furthermore, you state that you would gladly pay an additional 8% for "immigrants" (illegal, don't forget). And to top it off, you state that you would absolutely enter another country illegally in search "of a better life".

Well, put your money where your mouth is. Go see what happens when you enter another country illegally. I hope they welcome you with open arms. Or, you can take 8% of your hard-earned Comedian pay and hand it over to the first illegal aliens that you see every month. I would dearly love to see that. But since I can't, please keep the board informed as to how your charitable altruism works out for you. I could use some new material, lol.

You seem to love to tell people that their "talking points" are "ignorant". I agree, your talking points are ignorant. Maybe even beyond ignorant.

If you believe that I'm wrong, I dare you to come up with any REAL information to prove me wrong. Save yourself the time. I am an expert on this subject matter, yet for some reason you want to argue about it incessantly. I don't see you arguing with Yankee about financial portfolios. I don't see you arguing with RCarter about insurance matters or Martial Arts. I don't see you arguing with Brew about science. I don't even see you arguing with Chich about cleaning range hoods, for crying out loud.

But you want to sit here and challenge me on this? I worked in Napolitano's office, for fvck's sake. What the hell do you know about this subject? What are your credentials? You have NOTHING, amigo...nothing. Except maybe a lot of misconceptions and a bucket full of hurt feelers.

Respectfully,
kidrock

 

What a bunch of fvcking aholes. You morons are arguing your opinion on a thread that could be used to pay some respect for fellow waveriders. Pull your heads out of your a$$es, put your differences aside for one thread and show some goddamned respect.

Fvck man, this isn't cnn.com or Fox News, you wanna be a grassroots politician go validate you egos there.

 

And one more thing:

The whole "they mow your lawn" and "they do your housework" is another old, tired talking point. I am retired, but doing part-time work for some extra bank this Xmas. Guess what I'm seeing, up here in the PNW?

That's right...Union Drywallers and Pipefitters, who don't speak a lick of English. They might be legal Residents, but I'll put a month's mortgage against it that they aren't. These are jobs that pay between $35-$60 dollars an hour.

My best buddy from high school in San Diego, the Union Pipefitter? Illegals working next to him for $60 an hour, overlooking Trestles.

West Texas and New Mexico? State Highway jobs pouring concrete, etc. at $40 per hour. I was part of a Task Force to catch them. I caught no less than a dozen during my 6 months on the Task Force.

So take that weak sauce and pour it over your noodles. That $hit is already played out here.

Wait a minute...don't you live in Maine? I have a good buddy who works in Intelligence with Immigration there up by Calais. He tells me all the time about all the busts with illegals working at Wal Mart.

Let me know, and I'll make a call out to him. It's been a while since we last talked. I'm sure he has plenty of recent stories...REAL stories, not this lawn mowing and hotel maid BS.

 

This is getting good.

 

Wasn't it back in the 90's that the pols were getting on their high, or low, horses & railing about deporting all the illegals from Cali?

And then the heads of several unions in Cali, like the UFW & others, quietly met with these elected yahoos & basically said, ok, look, you can deport these people, you can do whatever you have to do under the law, but there will be no lettuce for your salads from Salinas to the Carolinas because there will be, literally, no one to pick the crop.

As well, you guys will be paying $8 apiece for a bell pepper, again because no one will be around to pick this stuff. It wasn't by any means a union threat; it was merely a statement of fact: gringos won't do the work.

And of course the doofus pols slunk & slithered back into the corporate pockets from whence they spawned.

 

Yes Yank, this did happen. As a matter of fact, if you've been paying attention, the illegal immigration debate has been cyclical in nature. It seems as if every 4 years, we want to deport everybody. Then every other 4 years, we want to give everybody amnesty. I've watched this happen all my life.

The period you're referring to culminated in Bill Clinton passing the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act of 1996. Many things came out of this law, but the salient laws that passed were to basically punish illegal aliens who frequently returned to the US with longer jail periods and stiffer fines...none of which are used today, but were used quite a bit when initially enacted. Why do you think that they're no longer used? Because pro-immigration lobbyists b!tched and moaned about it until the favorable 4 year cycle came into play for them.

Two other important items that arose from IIRIRA '96:

1) Section 287(g). This section of law gave the US Attorney General to enter into agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement. When it was first written, it was vague and broad and had zero case law as a guidance...therefore, it was not used until fairly recently by...guess who...right, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona. Some say Arpaio has gone beyond the statute. Others believe that he has followed it by the letter. GW Bush allowed it to happen, but Obama has not. I'm sure that all of you will draw your own conclusions.

2) The "asylum" law. Written as a subsection of 287(g) of IRRIRA '96, it extended asylum to "eligible" citizens from Mexico. However, it never explained what the criteria for "eligible" was, or any other circumstances for that matter...meaning, it was a law with a completely blank canvass in 1996. When we studied it, we were confused and concerned. Again, it was a law that was completely overlooked until the last few years. Now, up to approximately 85% of illegal entrants are claiming "asylum" due to "cartel activity" and "credible fear". For the first few years, approximately 1%-2% of applicants actually met the "credible fear" criteria. Now, those numbers have gone up considerably, although the height of the Cartel Wars occurred during 2008-2011.

But aside from IIRIRA: Yankee, do you really believe that peppers and onions will go up to $8? The Chinese and Japanese apple markets have all but pushed the American apple market out of business. I know, I live in the heart of Apple Country, and my wife's family has worked in the orchards for generations. Are we paying $8 for an apple?

Don't forget: half of the pickers are actually LEGAL immigrants. So, two things to remember: Illegals are stealing jobs from LEGAL immigrants. And, so what if the Gringos won't pick apples or lettuce or whatever? Increase the H2A and H2B non-immigrant Visas, and bring in some people that want to work, and will leave after the season. A *real* poor country, like Haiti, Kenya, or maybe even some of those Eastern European countries. Our pickers don't necessarily need to come from South America or Mexico, people who have historically show no interest in following our laws nor returning to their home countries. There are actually a lot of options out there, none of which our politicos are willing to share with their constituents.

 

YAWN.

Yes Hanna, we've all seen your liberal opinions on this stuff before. You bring nothing new to the table. I'm sure you're making bank on underpaying a bunch of illegals, because they're "hard working".

Here's a thought: Why don't you illegally enter another country to find work that's paying per day what you'd be making per week back home?

Gee, do you think you'd be a "hard worker" too? Do you think you'd be scared, yet thankful for the opportunity to make 5-10 times what you'd be making at home? Quite the motivational factor, don't you think?

Or are you just another one of those guys that likes to point their fingers at "the lazy gringo"?

I'm betting that you fall under the 2nd category.

ZZZZ

EDIT: After posting this, it hit me a few minutes later how ironic and hypocritical your post was, along with past posts relating to the same subject.

Basically, what you are saying is that you choose to hire illegals at lesser pay because "they work harder", as opposed to paying an average living wage to a qualified worker that may happen to be Anglo. Is this correct?

So, in essence, you are choosing to willingly break the law, along with subverting the US Economy and wage system, just to save yourself a few bucks and "get back" at those slow, lazy white guys...right?

WOW. Just wow.

So you'd be willing to break laws, pay less than a prevailing wage, and pocket the extra profits...in a nutshell.

That sounds conspicuously like Republican capitalism.

Better check yourself there, Bud.

 

Well, if you go back & check my brief input you'll see that I deliberately did not take a position on this topic, KR. It wasn't me that claimed a bell pepper would cost $8 - - I was merely citing the guy who said it.

Like I said in my other bland post, this tread is getting interesting & I find your comments to be interesting, informed & accurate, unlike a lot of the lobotomized drivel on here.

My only wish is that I receive amnesty from simod666. Hey, it's the holidays.

 

Hanna,

What's the name of your company?

 

It would be interesting to hear. Then, his company could be fined based on current law.

 

Yank, sorry if my theoretical question seemed like an attack, that was definitely not my intention. I realize that you are taking a neutral position on this issue and have a genuine interest in actual facts, rather than politically motivated misinformation and bloviated conjecture. You are clearly not one of the Sheeple.

Hanna, I wish you luck with your illegal ventures. It's refreshing to see someone take such a noble and misguided stance in the face of the law, all in the name of profits. Now that you have published your company's Mission Statement over the Internet, it would be too easy to open an investigation against you. But it won't come from me, because that would indicate that I'm bitter...and I'm not.

Confused and disappointed, yes. But bitter? No. But you seriously may want to reconsider your current political affiliation. It makes you appear a hypocrite.

 

"Ruin my day"? Hardly. If anything, you've actually made my week with your childish and stubborn stance on a black and white issue. I haven't laughed this hard in weeks.

Be sure to use your "right/wrong" defense should you ever find yourself in court for your shenanigans. I'm sure that will work out well for you lol.